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Are you, Judy, concerned for your son/yourself in
this church, under this pastor?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: December 18, 2005 15:45
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of
heart of "unregenerate" gentiles
He does JD and if he left almost the whole church
would go with him. It is definitely "he" who has it
"going on" rather than the Lord. You
would like him. You could laugh at all his jokes appreciate all
the books he has read and cites in his sermons and
join his pastorly following especially since
you
are pleased to accommodate Calvinism - you'd probably
fit right in.
Your pastors name? Sounds as though he has it going on
!!!!! jd
From:
Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi Dean:
Thanks for your response and please pray for
me. I am in a Reformed Church right now ONLY to
encourage
our son and DIL who want to raise our grandson in
Church but the more I learn about it the worse it becomes.
Our Pastor is smart, charismatic, and has been to
three different Bible schools and in four different denoms.
He has a Phd and THIS is what he has
chosen? It boggles the mind. Last week he was teaching
us that the
sin of "unbelief" had been taken care of at the
cross. So I guess that makes the whole of Romans 11 null
and
void and no branches have to be concerned about
being cut off and burned. The elect have it made in the shade
but noone seems to be able to know for sure who
they are. It's confusion at best and an
antiChrist spirit at worst. Don't know
whether or not I can stay the course.....
cd: Amen Judy for their fruits are enough-Studying their
teaching apart from their works
is the reason those -who support Calvin-on this site are
confused. We see their work so
we have no need for their teachings. We don't have to
study the Satanic Bible to know
our enemy for truth sheds a bright light on him already.
The Bible teaches to look at their
fruits and their works is what God Judges every man by-so we
can also use God tool to
know them.
I have
yet to hurl an epithet anywhere Lance. My objection to
Calvinism is for some very specific reasons with or
without "firsthand
knowledge or intricate and specific detail" about Calvin the
man. His teachings are enough. I will
leave the man to
God. I have no desire to be an expert on John Calvin the man or
any other anti-Christ (meaning in
place of) figure
for that matter and this would include
Athanasius, Augustine, Aquinas, et al. along to the present
Papacy both rc and
protestant. I am happy to leave you
to tend to them while I press on to know the Lord and the
power of His resurrection in my daily life.
Were I prone to worry Judy, YOU would
not be among those about whom I would. Why? I perceive you to be a
completely and utterly genuine believer, who esteems the Scriptures
highly and who lives what she believes. Now, when it comes to the
hurling of epithets at those servants of God about whom you possess
no firsthand knowledge, I'd put you alongside DaveH and Blainer and
their knowledge of the TRUE GOSPEL. (Believe it or not, this is a
sort of compliment, Judy)
I wonder if the Bereans had done any
reading of primary source material when they examined what Paul
preached.
Also the apostle John, I wonder if he had
read source material when he exhorted 1st Century Christians
not to even
wish a false
teacher "godspeed" for if they did they would be a "partaker of
his evil deeds" If I were prone to worry
you would
worry me Lance. You are more concerned about these men than you
are about Jesus Himself and the
ministry of the Spirit of Christ.
IMO you need to do more primary reading from the source of
all Truth - then you
will more accurately be qualified to
discern between good and evil. Your qualifications are not
those of Christ.
YOU JUDY are not entitled to call
it anything, IMO. You've not done, insofar as I know, any
reading of primary source material (2 vol Institutes,
Commentaries). It's akin to hearing an atheist condemn the
teachings of the Scriptures based upon the same sort of
evidentiary inquiry that you've conducted with John
Calvin.
Would Calvinistic heresay be
acceptable Lance? Where did the doctrine called
Calvinism come from if not from
him? What should we call
doctrine taken from his institutes and taught in our 20th
Century Churches? Can I call
it teachings of Calvin that Lance
calls hearsay?
With apologies (sort of) in
advance to David Miller and Linda Shields, I ask you once
again, Judy: Do you believe that you are MORE DISCERNING
THAN JOHN CALVIN? IMO, your regard for Scriptures
appears to be second to nobody on TT. (regard NOT being the
same thing as understanding). However, you do indeed appear
to read/study and live it insofar as you are enabled.
Scripture is a primary source for you. Amen! for that. Now, other than the blessed internet, how much
of John Calvin's own writings, have you actually read.
Do you possess anything whatsoever by him? If all that you
know of him would be classed as 'hearsay' then do cease and
desist from your unfounded allegations
hereafter. Stick to that which you claim to
understand, please?.
Sure they do, they camp around
John Calvin don't they? Why do you think there are
so many
different doctrines all claiming
to be the truth?
..do Bible readers 'camp' around
theological error in your neck of the
woods?
CPL, Are [Bible] readers
who believe that JC taught that encouraging the
baptism of the HS for the already converted 'sums
up the Law and Prophets'
Christian/s?
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Matt 7:11 is a
scripture that is used to encourage people to seek
the Baptism in the Holy
Spirit... jt
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for reference:
7:12So in everything, do [the
good] to others [t]hat you would have them do
to you, for this sums up the Law and the
Prophets.
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
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