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I await the prouncement(s).
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Sent: December 19, 2005 10:08
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] And Gary, and
John, and Bill and, on occasion(s), Linda and David
I know - and for this reason you
should stop doing it Lance.
I don't know about this "by extension" thing; let the
others fight their own battles ...
Gary's writings are incomprehensible so I wouldn't
know what he is saying most of the time
JD's are also so much mixture it has become
impossible to weed through
And Bill is so into himself and his own theology that
if one does not agree he takes his ball
and goes home... or
becomes totally incommunicado.
You and David have accused ME of blasphemy. By
extension you've similarly accused the 'trio' as you call them. Kicked
off or not, I should like for this to go ahead. 'Blaspheming' is serious
business, Judy.
I've been just as clear as you've been on this.
Including others is not a 'groupfest thingy', Judy. Have you truly
failed to take note of anyone's recent disagreement with you over your
scriptural interpretation? I've most certainly NOT failed to note
them!
Who are the "others"? Gary John and
Bill? Your theological trio?
Here is a very serious suggestion! Let's have David
and Perry prounce on this issue.
Let's say that if anything warrants being thrown off
the list, it'd be blasphemy. Agreed? Given their and your understanding
we could,
it'd appear, think this list out considerably.
Thereafter, only those of you who saw things your way on this issue
would remain. So,
let's go ahead with this, shall we?
No, something like this would automatically
eliminate the MC and DavidM has reasons for wanting them
here; also Jesus Himself said to let the
wheat and tares grow together. The angels will do the
separating
soon enough and in that day the judgment will
be perfect.
You just love the groupfest thing don't you
Lance?.
You talk yourself into a corner and then want
everyone who has ever disagreed with anything
I have ever said on this list to join
you. How very sad!!! I say the
Spirit of God gives me
understanding as per John 16:3,14 and you say
He does not because it differs from what you
think. One of us is blaspheming the
Holy Spirit. But let's leave the others out of it.
Shall we accuse them ALL of blasphemy? C'mon let's
do it! Surely it's not a serious charge is it, Judy?
You
couldn't make this kind of a judgment call unless you considered
yourself to have apprehended
ALL TRUTH which would put you in the
position to judge in your own estimation.
NO! I very much believe that the Scriptures
are operative in your life. I just believe your
interpretations
of them to be 'hit and miss', just like
everyone else ('ceptin some are better at it than
you)
Yes Lance "them" - (that is unless
you receive interpretation through some educated person that
you
respect). You do not believe
that the scriptures I cite below are operative in my life no
matter what I say which is in
effect blaspheming the Holy Spirit if in fact, I am speaking
the truth.
'Them'? The Scriptures?
I should actually appreciate staying with
this important matter until it is abundantly clear. Clear to
me, to you, and, to DAVID MILLER and to all others on TT,
Judy.
DAVID MILLER ACCUSED ME OF BLASPHEMY, as I
recall, ON THIS VERY MATTER AND, VIS A VIS JUDY
TAYLOR!
Since you apparently do not
either understand them or believe them Lance,
why would you want to put
everyone into your theological
box?
If I did not understand them,
naturally I would not employ them - but this one
is a no brainer. Jesus
says:
"It is expedient for you that I
go away for if I go not away the Comforter will
not come unto you; but if I
depart I will send him unto you"
(John 16:7)
"Howbeit when he the Spirit of
truth is come he will guide you into all truth; for he
shall not speak of
himself but whatsoever he shall
hear that shall he speak and he will show you things to
come. He shall
glorify me; for he shall receive
of mine, and shall show it unto you" (John
16:13,14)
Ever the optimist, Lance once again
asks Judy: Do you always and completely UNDERSTAND &
EMPLOY THEM
(those Scriptures you cite) as God and
the author means them?
Oh well,
guess the Promise does not
mean as much to you.
It is this constant bit
of judging that renders your influence
nil.
Bit of judging? I am just
reflecting back to Lance what he has already written
to me, so how is it me that is
judging - never him?
They name streets after you JD.
To speak as if you know
anything at all about Lance and his attachment to
the "promise" is not just misinformed
-- it is a cheap ad hom
.
I don't profess to know the
first thing about Lance JD. However, I do know
something about the Promise of
the
Father and this is what the wonderful Lance negates
in my life... so how is it you don't take up for
me??
Lance is actually the one
who is doing the judging.
It is not "judging" to say
that you do not understand scritpture -
although such a statement involves a
judgment. It is judging , however,
when you put yourself in the place of God and make
your determinations. jd
By stating that I do not
understand scripture Lance is putting himself in the
place of God and so are you.
From:
Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I do Lance, this is why I
try to stick with scripture - in spite of
your belief that all I have is regard for
same. Oh well,
guess the Promise does
not mean as much to you.
With apologies (sort of) in
advance to David Miller and Linda Shields, I ask
you once again, Judy: Do you believe that you
are MORE DISCERNING THAN JOHN CALVIN? IMO,
your regard for Scriptures appears to be second
to nobody on TT. (regard NOT being the same
thing as understanding). However, you do indeed
appear to read/study and live it insofar as you
are enabled. Scripture is a primary source for
you. Amen! for that. Now, other than the blessed
internet, how much of John Calvin's own
writings, have you actually read. Do you
possess anything whatsoever by him? If all that
you know of him would be classed as 'hearsay'
then do cease and desist from your unfounded
allegations hereafter. Stick to that which you claim to
understand, please?.
Sure they do, they camp
around John Calvin don't they? Why do you
think there are so many
different doctrines all
claiming to be the truth?
..do Bible readers 'camp' around
theological error in your neck of the
woods?
CPL, Are [Bible] readers
who believe that JC taught that encouraging
the baptism of the HS for the already
converted 'sums up the Law and Prophets'
Christian/s?
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Matt 7:11 is a
scripture that is used to encourage people to
seek the Baptism in
the Holy
Spirit... jt
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--
for reference:
7:12So in everything, do
[the good] to others [t]hat you would have
them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the
Prophets.
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep
His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His
Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
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