jd wrote:
> > How many Christians have believed and been baptized but have
not seen
>any
>of
> > these signs follow them?
Again, we either have to conclude that the
>concept
> > of faith
as taught by Jesus is something greater than the popular
>concept
>of
> > it, or that Jesus was bearing false
testimony here, or perhaps that this
> > passage only applies to the
immediate believers to whom he spoke. I
>take
> > the
position that faith is something more than what most people
think
>faith
> > is.
Blainerb: Just for the record, I believe the
Lord was speaking to his apostles, but was speaking concerning all whom they
taught. As Jesus said to Joseph Smith, concerning the Christians of that
day, "They teach for doctrines the commandments of men,
having a form of Godliness, but denying the power thereof." (Speaking of the power of God to perform miracles)
The problem is, there is an almost
universal disbelief in God's power to perform miraculous acts. Miracles
are commonly reported among Mormon believers--I have experienced a number of
them myself--almost always in connection with work in the church.
In a message dated 12/21/2005 8:24:24 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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I stated that I do in
my original post below.
>From: "ShieldsFamily"
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>To:
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>Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Who
decides
>Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:46:19 -0600
>
>Perry, so
do you think the "He" in verse 16 refers only to the apostles,
>too?
izzy
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>To: [email protected]
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>
>cd: I agree Perry.
>
>
> >
[Original Message]
> > From: Charles Perry Locke
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> > To:
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> > Date: 12/21/2005 5:00:05
PM
> > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who decides
> >
> >
David,
> >
> > Regarding your item 2, we might
also conclude that Jesus was speaking
> > specifically to the
apostles, and that this does not apply to all
>believers.
> >
The key is to identify the antecedent of "He" in verse 16, which
I
>believe
> > to exclusively be the apostles.
>
>
> > Perry
> >
> > David wrote:
>
>
> > 2. Mark 16:16-20
> > (16) He that believeth
and is baptized shall be saved; but he that
>believeth
> > not
shall be damned.
> > (17) And these signs shall follow them that
believe; In my name shall
>they
> > cast out devils; they
shall speak with new tongues;
> > (18) They shall take up serpents;
and if they drink any deadly thing, it
> > shall not hurt them; they
shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall
> > recover.
> >
(19) So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up
>into
> > heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
>
> (20) And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working
>with
> > them, and confirming the word with signs following.
Amen.
> >
> > How many Christians have believed and been
baptized but have not seen
>any
>of
> > these signs
follow them? Again, we either have to conclude that
the
>concept
> > of faith as taught by Jesus is something
greater than the popular
>concept
>of
> > it, or that
Jesus was bearing false testimony here, or perhaps that this
> >
passage only applies to the immediate believers to whom he spoke. I
>take
> > the position that faith is something more than what
most people think
>faith
> > is.
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