Thank you for this kind parting remark to my personal email, jd. Perfect confirmation that I am doing the right thing. Blessings, izzy
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 8:55 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Cc: ShieldsFamily Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Unsubscribe please And the most caustic among us has moved on!!!!! -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Having been moving for the last couple of days, I just got a chance to sit > down for a rest and browse through TT. I am dismayed as what I see. I > wonder why I have been wasting my time throwing pearls before swine here. > The answer, of course, is that I dearly enjoy reading and sharing posts with > the kindhearted Believers on TT. But the truth is, in real life I would > never associate with the toxic people I find here. I don't need hateful, > nasty people insulting me or my friends. I have so many delightful friends > to spend the precious moments of my life with, and so very much to > accomplish. Life is increasingly short, and I am convicted about spending it > wisely. So dear Lance, jd, and Gary, enjoy insulting me to your heart's > desire while I'm gone. I'm giving up TT for New Year's. I hope the rest of > you will email me often. Love and Blessings and a closer walk with Jesus to > every one of you, Izzy > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 2:34 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets > > Why not go with 'blowin' smoke' if it makes you feel better, I'm not even a > Mormon, Perry. Why be such a nuisance? Move on! David is, IMO, & on some > occasions, a pompous ass. Should you find him to be otherwise then, good > for you! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: December 30, 2005 15:02 > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets > > > > All I am asking, Lance, is for you to clarify what you consider to be > > speculation in David's post. You often sit back and direct others to > > produce stuff, while producing very little substance yourself, so I > > suspected you would not point out David's speculation. Perhaps you just do > > > not want to put forth the effort...or perhaps you are blowing smoke. > > > > Perry > > > > > >>From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Reply-To: [email protected] > >>To: <[email protected]> > >>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets > >>Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:33:40 -0500 > >> > >>You may 'rather' all you want to, Perry. Remember, I watched the 'extended > > >>version' of the conversation between yourself and the 'annointed one' on > >>Scripture. He simply cannot acknowledge wrongheadedness. > >> > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Perry Locke" > >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>To: <[email protected]> > >>Sent: December 30, 2005 14:25 > >>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets > >> > >> > >>>I'd rather you did it, Lance, since you are making the claim, and I would > > >>>like to see it as YOU see it. Only you can show me that. > >>> > >>>>From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>Reply-To: [email protected] > >>>>To: <[email protected]> > >>>>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets > >>>>Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:36:30 -0500 > >>>> > >>>>I'd rather David did it, Perry. He knows which is which. One wearies of > >>>>his pompous treatment of his 'subjects' on TT. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Perry Locke" > >>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>To: <[email protected]> > >>>>Sent: December 30, 2005 13:23 > >>>>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>Lance, you may be right, but please separate the biblical from the > >>>>>speculation in David's post so the rest of us can see it as you do. > >>>>> > >>>>>Perry > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>>Reply-To: [email protected] > >>>>>>To: <[email protected]> > >>>>>>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets > >>>>>>Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:46:44 -0500 > >>>>>> > >>>>>>IMO you speak more often with presumption than with authority. Much of > > >>>>>>that which you've said below is biblical but, some of it is > >>>>>>speculation and, I believe that you know which is which. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Giftedness and maturity, sadly, do not go hand in hand. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>>To: <[email protected]> > >>>>>>Sent: December 30, 2005 12:18 > >>>>>>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>John wrote: > >>>>>>>>I do believe that the apostles had a measure > >>>>>>>>of the Spirit that was in addition that of the > >>>>>>>>gifts of the Spirit > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>The apostolic office is characgterized by special signs and wonders, > >>>>>>>yes, > >>>>>>>but this should not be characterized as you have done here. Read 1 > >>>>>>>Cor. 12 > >>>>>>>for the proper perspective of apostles to the rest of the body of > >>>>>>>Christ. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>John wrote: > >>>>>>>>... the 7 deacons could not do anything of a > >>>>>>>>miracluous nature before the apostles layed > >>>>>>>>hands on them. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Mere speculation on your part, which flies in the face of church > >>>>>>>tradition > >>>>>>>and historical writings. Furthermore, the Scriptures themselves > >>>>>>>suggest > >>>>>>>otherwise when they describe these men already as men of faith, > >>>>>>>filled with > >>>>>>>the Holy Ghost. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>John wrote: > >>>>>>>>Miracles do continue in the church to this day > >>>>>>>>but to the exclusion of "faith healings." > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>An effeminate remark which even the female founder of your church has > >>>>>>>disagreed with. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>John wrote: > >>>>>>>>There is no more impa rtation of scripture. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Speculation and presumption, which might be right, but it has no > >>>>>>>basis of > >>>>>>>authority. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>John wrote: > >>>>>>>>In the Pentecostal tradition, I have seen many who > >>>>>>>>claim to be "apostles." Not a single one can raise > >>>>>>>>the dead, heal by casting a shadow, walk through > >>>>>>>>unopened doors and the like. I do not think these > >>>>>>>>men to be evil -- simply confused. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Surely there are false apostles today just as there were in New > >>>>>>>Testament > >>>>>>>times. Why does Jesus praise the Ephesian church for testing false > >>>>>>>apostles > >>>>>>>if John was the last one? Why would there be any testing at this > >>>>>>>time if > >>>>>>>John was to be the last apostle? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>I have known personally two men who have been raised from the dead. > >>>>>>>I have > >>>>>>>met apostles who have reported to me experiences of raising the dead, > > >>>>>>>of > >>>>>>>people being healed as they walked by, and who have had cloths taken > >>>>>>>to the > >>>>>>>sick and seen them healed. Just because you have met false apostles > >>>>>>>does > >>>>>>>not mean they are all false apostles. I have met false apostles too. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>When Jesus ascended on high, he gave gifts unto men, namely, > >>>>>>>apostles, > >>>>>>>prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers. The reason they were > >>>>>>>given was > >>>>>>>for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, and > >>>>>>>for the > >>>>>>>edifying of the body of Christ. This was to be until we all come in > >>>>>>>the > >>>>>>>unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a > >>>>>>>perfect > >>>>>>>man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ. Now > >>>>>>>when > >>>>>>>someone starts stripping away these gifts, claiming that the apostles > > >>>>>>>are no > >>>>>>>longer in the body of Christ, or that the modern prophet is now the > >>>>>>>theologian, or other such fantasies, it only serves to change the > >>>>>>>body of > >>>>>>>Christ into something else, more akin to a Christian social club. > >>>>>>>Why is it > >>>>>>>that people are so accepting of teachers and pastors, but they do > >>>>>>>everything > >>>>>>>they can to discredit and remove from the body of Christ the apostles > > >>>>>>>and > >>>>>>>prophets? I say that until we are brought into unity of faith and > >>>>>>>knowledge, unto a perfect man and the fullness of Christ, we need > >>>>>>>them all. > >>>>>>>If we have not arrived at such, part of the reason is that we reject > >>>>>>>the > >>>>>>>present day ministry of apostles and prophets, so the local church > >>>>>>>has no > >>>>>>>solid foundation in Christ. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Ephesians 4:8-16 > >>>>>>>(8) Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity > >>>>>>>captive, and gave gifts unto men. > >>>>>>>(9) (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended > >>>>>>>first into > >>>>>>>the lower parts of the earth? > >>>>>>>(10) He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above > >>>>>>>all > >>>>>>>heavens, that he might fill all things.) > >>>>>>>(11) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, > >>>>>>>evangelists; > >>>>>>>and some, pastors and teachers; > >>>>>>>(12) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, > >>>>>>>for the > >>>>>>>edifying of the body of Christ: > >>>>>>>(13) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge > > >>>>>>>of the > >>>>>>>Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of > >>>>>>>the > >>>>>>>fulness of Christ: > >>>>>>>(14) That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and > >>>>>>>carried > >>>>>>>about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning > >>>>>>>craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; > >>>>>>>(15) But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all > >>>>>>>things, > >>>>>>>which is the head, even Christ: > >>>>>>>(16) From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by > >>>>>>>that > >>>>>>>which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in > >>>>>>>the > >>>>>>>measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying > >>>>>>>of > >>>>>>>itself in love. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Ephesians 2:19-22 > >>>>>>>(19) Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but > >>>>>>>fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; > >>>>>>>(20) And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, > >>>>>>>Jesus > >>>>>>>Christ himself being the chief corner stone; > >>>>>>>(21) In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an > >>>>>>>holy > >>>>>>>temple in the Lord: > >>>>>>>(22) In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God > >>>>>>>through > >>>>>>>the Spirit. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Peace be with you. > >>>>>>>David Miller. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>---------- > >>>>>>>"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you > >>>>>>>may know how you ought to answer every man." 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