Re: [TruthTalk] Unsubscribe please

Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:00:24 -0800

You know,  I actually gave my comment some thought.  But, as I read her final post,  I realized that I needed to make my point.   I will not discuss  it further, David,  since she is gone (she has left before, by the way.)  I have as much fondness of her and she has expressed towards me.   Just being honest. 
 
jd
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Izzy is NOT the most caustic. Someone breaks the ad hominem rule and calls
> me a foul name that I cannot even repeat in good conscience, and Izzy is so
> upset by it that she wants to leave the list, and you call her the most
> caustic among us? Shame on you. Izzy has more love flowing through her
> little pinky finger at this very moment than most people will ever
> experience in their whole lifetime on earth.
>
> David M.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: ;
> Cc: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 9:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Unsubscribe please
>
>
> And the most caustic among us has moved on!!!!!
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Having been moving for the last couple of days, I just got a chance to sit
> > down for a rest and browse through TT. I am dismayed as what I see. I
> > wonder why I have been wasting my time throwing pearls before swine here.
> > The answer, of course, is that I dearly enjoy reading and sharing posts
> > with
> > the kindhearted Believers on TT. But the truth is, in real life I would
> > never associate with the toxic people I find here. I don't need hateful,
> > nasty people insulting me or my friends. I have so many delightful
> > friends
> > to spend the precious moments of my life with, and so very much to
> > accomplish. Life is increasingly short, and I am convicted about spending
> > it
> > wisely. So dear Lance, jd, and Gary, enjoy insulting me to your heart's
> > desire while I'm gone. I'm giving up TT for New Year's. I hope the rest of
> > you will email me often. Love and Blessings and a closer walk with Jesus
> > to
> > every one of you, Izzy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
> > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 2:34 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets
> >
> > Why not go with 'blowin' smoke' if it makes you feel better, I'm not even
> > a
> > Mormon, Perry. Why be such a nuisance? Move on! David is, IMO, & on some
> > occasions, a pompous ass. Should you find him to be otherwise then, good
> > for you!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To:
> > Sent: December 30, 2005 15:02
> > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets
> >
> >
> > > All I am asking, Lance, is for you to clarify what you consider to be
> > > speculation in David's post. You often sit back and direct others to
> > > produce stuff, while producing very little substance yourself, so I
> > > suspected you would not point out David's speculation. Perhaps you just
> > > do
> >
> > > not want to put forth the effort...or perhaps you are blowing smoke.
> > >
> > > Perry
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>Reply-To: [email protected]
> > >>To:
> > >>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets
> > >>Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:33:40 -050 0
> > >>
> > >>You may 'rather' all you want to, Perry. Remember, I watched the
> > >>'extended
> >
> > >>version' of the conversation between yourself and the 'annointed one' on
> > >>Scripture. He simply cannot acknowledge wrongheadedness.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Perry Locke"
> > >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>To:
> > >>Sent: December 30, 2005 14:25
> > >>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>I'd rather you did it, Lance, since you are making the claim, and I
> > >>>would
> >
> > >>>like to see it as YOU see it. Only you can show me that.
> > >>>
> > >>>>From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > >>>>Reply-To: [email protected]
> > >>>>To:
> > >>>>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets
> > >>>>Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:36:30 -0500
> > >>>>
> > >>>>I'd rather David did it, Perry. He knows which is which. One wearies
> > >>>>of
> > >>>>his pompous treatment of his 'subjects' on TT.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Perry Locke"
> > >>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>>>To:
> > >>>>Sent: December 30, 2005 13:23
> > >>>>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>L ance, you may be right, but please separate the biblical from the
> > >>>>>speculation in David's post so the rest of us can see it as you do.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Perry
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>>>>>Reply-To: [email protected]
> > >>>>>>To:
> > >>>>>>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets
> > >>>>>>Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:46:44 -0500
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>IMO you speak more often with presumption than with authority. Much
> > >>>>>>of
> >
> > >>>>>>that which you've said below is biblical but, some of it is
> > >>>>>>speculatio n and, I believe that you know which is which.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>Giftedness and maturity, sadly, do not go hand in hand.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "David Miller"
> > >>>>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>>>>>To:
> > >>>>>>Sent: December 30, 2005 12:18
> > >>>>>>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>John wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>I do believe that the apostles had a measure
> > >>>>>>>>of the Spirit that was in addition that of the
> > >>>>>>>>gifts of the Spirit
> > >>>>>&g t;>
> > >>>>>>>The apostolic office is characgterized by special signs and
> > >>>>>>>wonders,
> > >>>>>>>yes,
> > >>>>>>>but this should not be characterized as you have done here. Read 1
> > >>>>>>>Cor. 12
> > >>>>>>>for the proper perspective of apostles to the rest of the body of
> > >>>>>>>Christ.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>John wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>... the 7 deacons could not do anything of a
> > >>>>>>>>miracluous nature before the apostles layed
> > >>>>>>>>hands on them.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>Mere speculation on your part, which flies in the face of church
> > >>>>> >>tradition
> > >>>>>>>and historical writings. Furthermore, the Scriptures themselves
> > >>>>>>>suggest
> > >>>>>>>otherwise when they describe these men already as men of faith,
> > >>>>>>>filled with
> > >>>>>>>the Holy Ghost.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>John wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>Miracles do continue in the church to this day
> > >>>>>>>>but to the exclusion of "faith healings."
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>An effeminate remark which even the female founder of your church
> > >>>>>>>has
> > >>>>>>>disagreed with.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>John wrote:
> > >>> ;>>>>>There is no more impa rtation of scripture.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>Speculation and presumption, which might be right, but it has no
> > >>>>>>>basis of
> > >>>>>>>authority.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>John wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>In the Pentecostal tradition, I have seen many who
> > >>>>>>>>claim to be "apostles." Not a single one can raise
> > >>>>>>>>the dead, heal by casting a shadow, walk through
> > >>>>>>>>unopened doors and the like. I do not think these
> > >>>>>>>>men to be evil -- simply confused.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>Surely there are false apostles today just as there were in New
> > &g t;>>>>>>Testament
> > >>>>>>>times. Why does Jesus praise the Ephesian church for testing false
> > >>>>>>>apostles
> > >>>>>>>if John was the last one? Why would there be any testing at this
> > >>>>>>>time if
> > >>>>>>>John was to be the last apostle?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>I have known personally two men who have been raised from the dead.
> > >>>>>>>I have
> > >>>>>>>met apostles who have reported to me experiences of raising the
> > >>>>>>>dead,
> >
> > >>>>>>>of
> > >>>>>>>people being healed as they walked by, and who have had cloths
> > >>>>>>>taken
> > >>>>>>>to the > > >>>>>>>sick and seen them healed. Just because you have met false
> > >>>>>>>apostles
> > >>>>>>>does
> > >>>>>>>not mean they are all false apostles. I have met false apostles
> > >>>>>>>too.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>When Jesus ascended on high, he gave gifts unto men, namely,
> > >>>>>>>apostles,
> > >>>>>>>prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers. The reason they were
> > >>>>>>>given was
> > >>>>>>>for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, and
> > >>>>>>>for the
> > >>>>>>>edifying of the body of Christ. This was to be until we all come
> > >>>>>>>in
> > >>>& gt;>>>the
> > >>>>>>>unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a
> > >>>>>>>perfect
> > >>>>>>>man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ.
> > >>>>>>>Now
> > >>>>>>>when
> > >>>>>>>someone starts stripping away these gifts, claiming that the
> > >>>>>>>apostles
> >
> > >>>>>>>are no
> > >>>>>>>longer in the body of Christ, or that the modern prophet is now the
> > >>>>>>>theologian, or other such fantasies, it only serves to change the
> > >>>>>>>body of
> > >>>>>>>Christ into something else, more akin to a Christian social club.
> > >>>>>>>Why is it
> > >>> >>>>that people are so accepting of teachers and pastors, but they do
> > >>>>>>>everything
> > >>>>>>>they can to discredit and remove from the body of Christ the
> > >>>>>>>apostles
> >
> > >>>>>>>and
> > >>>>>>>prophets? I say that until we are brought into unity of faith and
> > >>>>>>>knowledge, unto a perfect man and the fullness of Christ, we need
> > >>>>>>>them all.
> > >>>>>>>If we have not arrived at such, part of the reason is that we
> > >>>>>>>reject
> > >>>>>>>the
> > >>>>>>>present day ministry of apostles and prophets, so the local church
> > >>>>>>>has no
> > >>>>>>>solid foundation in Christ.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>Ephesians 4:8-16
> > >>>>>>>(8) Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led
> > >>>>>>>captivity
> > >>>>>>>captive, and gave gifts unto men.
> > >>>>>>>(9) (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended
> > >>>>>>>first into
> > >>>>>>>the lower parts of the earth?
> > >>>>>>>(10) He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above
> > >>>>>>>all
> > >>>>>>>heavens, that he might fill all things.)
> > >>>>>>>(11) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some,
> > >>>>>>>evangelists;
> > >>>>>>>and some, pastors and teachers;
> > >>>>>>>(12) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the
> > >>>>>>>ministry,
> > >>>>>>>for the
> > >>>>>>>edifying of the body of Christ:
> > >>>>>>>(13) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the
> > >>>>>>>knowledge
> >
> > >>>>>>>of the
> > >>>>>>>Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of
> > >>>>>>>the
> > >>>>>>>fulness of Christ:
> > >>>>>>>(14) That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and
> > >>>>>>>carried
> > >>>>>>>about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and
> > >>>>>>>cunning
> > >>>>>> ;>craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
> > >>>>>>>(15) But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all
> > >>>>>>>things,
> > >>>>>>>which is the head, even Christ:
> > >>>>>>>(16) From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted
> > >>>>>>>by
> > >>>>>>>that
> > >>>>>>>which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in
> > >>>>>>>the
> > >>>>>>>measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the
> > >>>>>>>edifying
> > >>>>>>>of
> > >>>>>>>itself in love.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>Ephesians 2:19-22
> > >>>>>>>(19) N ow therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but
> > >>>>>>>fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
> > >>>>>>>(20) And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and
> > >>>>>>>prophets,
> > >>>>>>>Jesus
> > >>>>>>>Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
> > >>>>>>>(21) In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an
> > >>>>>>>holy
> > >>>>>>>temple in the Lord:
> > >>>>>>>(22) In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God
> > >>>>>>>through
> > >>>>>>>the Spirit.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>Peace be with you.
> > >>>>>>>David Miller.
&g t; > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>----------
> > >>>>>>>"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you
> > >>>>>>>may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
> > >>>>>>>http://www.InnGlory.org
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email
> > >>>>>>>to
> > >>>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you
> > >>>>>>>have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to
> > >>>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>----------
> > >>>>>>"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you
> > >>>>>>may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
> > >>>>>>http://www.InnGlory.org
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to
> > >>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you
> > >>>>>>have
> >
> > >>>>>>a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to
> > >>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>----------
> > >>>>>"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you
> > >>>>>may
> >
> > >& gt;>>>know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
> > >>>>>http://www.InnGlory.org
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to
> > >>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you
> > >>>>>have
> > >>>>>a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to
> > >>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>----------
> > >>>>"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you
> > >>>>may
> > >>>>know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
> > >>>>http://www.InnGlory.org
> > >>>>
> > > ;>>>If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to
> > >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have
> > >>>>a
> >
> > >>>>friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to
> > >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>----------
> > >>>"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
> > >>>know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
> > >>>http://www.InnGlory.org
> > >>>
> > >>>If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to
> > >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have
> > >>>a
> > >>>friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail t o
> > >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>----------
> > >>"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
> > >>know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
> > >>http://www.InnGlory.org
> > >>
> > >>If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to
> > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a
> > >>friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to
> > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
> > > know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
> > > http://www.InnGlory.or g
> > >
> > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a
> > > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
> > >
> >
> >
> > ----------
> > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
> > know
> > how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
> > http://www.InnGlory.org
> >
> > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a
> > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------
> > "Let your speec h be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
> > know how
> > you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org
> >
> > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a
> > friend
> > who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
> > he will be subscribed.
>
>
> ----------
> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know
> how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
> http://www.InnGlory.org
>
> If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a
> friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
>
> ; ----------
> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how
> you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org
>
> If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend
> who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
> he will be subscribed.

Reply via email to