On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:34:27 -0500 "Lance Muir" <
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writes:
> Are you, DavidM, another Smith Wigglesworth?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David
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Sent: January 02, 2006 09:39
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and
prophets
>
>
> > John wrote:
> >> When
you read this word, you see "office"
> >> and argue from that
perspective. When
> >> I see the word
"apostle." I see function,
> >> assignment, a specific
and personal calling
> >> to the exclusion of
"office."
> >
> > I'm not sure what you mean by "to the
exclusion of office," but
> you have
> > basically given a
definition for how I use the word office.
> >
> > John
wrote:
> >> ... [apostles were] presented with the assignment
of
> >> imparting the message of Christ in word and
script.
> >
> > Where in Scripture do you see the
apostles being given the
> assignment of
> > imparting the
message of Christ in script? I don't think that was
> part
of
> > their assignment because most of them did not leave us
script, and
> it
> > seems
> > likely to me that
most of them never wrote anything. I believe
> their
>
> assignment was oral preaching and ministry to the poor and
sick.
> >
> > John wrote:
> >> It is a
function to me and an office to you.
> >
> > No, it is a
function to me too, but the word "office" helps
> describe
an
> > assigned function in the body of Christ. It is a
stewardship, a
> > responsibility to the body of Christ that they
have.
> >
> > John wrote:
> >> IMO, a faith
healer is one who thinks he/she has
> >> identical powers and
purpose as that of Jesus and
> >> the typical "12." That
power emanates from their
> >> person.
> >
>
> Say what???? I don't know of any "faith healer" who has ever
> claimed that
> > "power emanates from their
person." Even the apostles decried
> such
> >
characterizations (Acts 14). Please name me one faith healer who
> has ever
> > held to such a position.
>
>
> > I have brought up Smith Wigglesworth as a faith healer
of the last
>
> > century.
> > If you like, we
can talk about him from my perspective of what a
> faith
>
> healer is.
> >
> > John wrote:
> >> He
[Wigglesworth] does not seem to fit into the mold
> >> of the
"faith healer." But, I really do not know.
> >
> >
If Smith Wigglesworth does not fit the mold of a faith healer,
>
then I
> > don't
> > know of anyone, including the
apostles of Scripture, who would.
> He prayed
> >
for the sick, had healing lines in his meetings where he would lay
> hands
> > upon the sick, and he had tremendous
testimonies of people being
> healed
> > and
> >
raised from the dead.
> >
> > John wrote:
>
>> You and I cannot point to a single healer, not one,
>
>> David, who healed all who made appearances at
>
>> their services IN SPITE OF AN EFFORT TO DO
> >>
SO.
> >
> > I am not aware of any effort to do so, but I
would agree with you
> that I
> > do
> > not
know of anyone who healed all who came to them. The problem
>
from my
> > perspective is that unbelief is far too prevalent for
us to expect
> such to
> > happen.
> >
>
> John wrote:
> >> I do not see that same failure when I
consider
> >> Jesus and the apostles or those whom
they
> >> commissioned.
> >
> > The Bible
gives us an example of where the apostles failed to
> heal, and
> > even
> > Jesus too was unable to heal
sometimes.
> >
> > Matthew 17:16
> > (16) And I
brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure
>
him.
> >
> > Mark 6:5
> > (5) And he could
there do no mighty work, save that he laid his
> hands upon
> > a
> > few sick folk, and healed them.
>
>
> > John wrote:
> >> I have given you reference
!!
> >> I have quoted from several biblical writers.
>
>
> > I'm talking about your assertion that you are on the
side of
> theologians
> > and
> > I am
not. Which theologians hold to this viewpoint of yours that
>
the
> > prophets today are guys like Barth, Wright, etc.
>
>
> > John wrote:
> >> What is not going to work,
in this discussion, is
> >> for you to continue to pretend
that I might be
> >> making up "stuff." I do not do
this.
> >
> > Please reference for me those who have fed
you the thoughts you
> have, that
> > there are no faith
healers today, that the last apostle was John,
> and that
>
> prophets are theologians like Barth, Wright, etc. If you are
not
> making
> > this stuff up, then who is teaching it to
you? If possible, give
> me some
> > Pentecostal
references please.
> >
> > John wrote:
> >>
In the current discussion, who have you
> >> referenced other
than H. ??
> >
> > The Didache.
>
>
> > Peace be with you.
> > David Miller.
>
>
> > ----------
> > "Let your speech be always with
grace, seasoned with salt, that
> you may
> > know how
you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
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