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Amen JD! Kinda difficult convincin' the 'antis' on
TT, though.
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Sent: January 02, 2006 13:37
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and
prophets
suggests the term Protestant can infer more than simply protesting the
RCC,
I do not make that separation. Protestantism is a response
, an objection, to the RCC. Why would you insist on using the term in a
differing way? I , for one, do not think the RCC is any further from the
truth of God in Christ than what I have read of several on this forum or what
I see in the Christian denominational world. Catholics are
Christians.
jd
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From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Yes you are. That denomination did not come from the
Portestant response to RCC theology.
DAVEH: OK....help me
out, Bishop. I must be missing something.
WIKI......
Originally, "protestant" meant "to be a witness for
something" rather than "to be against something", as the current popular
interpretation of the word seems to imply. The prefix pro means "for" in
Latin. The Latin adjective protestans refers to "a person who gives public
testimony for something or who proves or demonstrates
something"
........suggests the term Protestant can infer more
than simply protesting the RCC, which is the common popular
understanding. WIKI further discusses the Protestant
denominations.....
The largest division in many classification
schemes is between the families of Eastern and West ern Christianity. After
these two larger families come distinct branches of Christianity. Most
classification schemes list six (in order of size: Catholicism,
Protestantism, Eastern Orthodoxy, Anglicanism, Oriental Orthodoxy, and
Assyrians). Others may include Restorationism as a seventh, but classically
this is included among Protestant movements. After these branches comes
denominational families. In some traditions, these families are precisely
defined (such as the autocephalous churches in both Orthodox branches), in
others, they may be loose ideological groups with overlap (this is
especially the case in Protestantism, which includes Anabaptists,
Adventists, Baptists, Congregationalists, Pentecostals, Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians,
Reformed churches, and possibly others, depending on who is organizing the
scheme. From there come denominations, which in the West, have complete
independence to establish doctrine (for instance, national churches in the
Anglican Communion or the Lutheran Ch urch-Missouri Synod in Lutheranism).
At this point, the scheme becomes more difficult to apply to the Eastern
churches and Catholic faiths, due to their top-down hierarchical structures.
More precise units after denominations include kinds of regional councils
and individual congregations and church
bodies.
........and......
Unlike the other branches
(Catholicism, Eastern and Oriental Orthodoxy, the Assyrians, and Anglicans),
Protestantism is a general movement that has no internal governing
structure. As such, diverse groups such as Presbyterians, Reformed churches,
Lutherans, Methodists, Congregationalists, Anabaptists, Baptists,
Adventists, Pentecostals, and even possibly
Restorationists (depending on one's classification scheme) are all a part of
the same family.
........it seems that Pentecostals are loosely
defined as a Protestant denomination. I understood that 4Sq was a
branch of Pentecostalism. If both those assumptions are correct, then
how/why do you beli eve you are not part of them? Now I should say
that I made the assumption that you are rooted in the 4Sq due to your
discussion with DavidM. Perhaps I'm wrong about that. Please
correct me if you do not ally yourself with the 4Sq folks.
I see
"protestant" as clubhouse name for those who are apostate. That
is how I believe the term is used. I have seen posts from Mormon
to Mormon that gives me this opinion.
DAVEH: I've never
used that way.. Nor have I heard LDS folks discussing it in that
sense. I have always given the term respect, and have noted such by
capitalizing it in all my posts. (Note....Not all TTers have returned
the courtesy.....I thank you for capitalizing Mormon,
Pastor!)
However.....I have noted that you do not
seem to have the same respect for Protestant that you have afforded
Mormon. Below, you have said......
I am not a
protestant, in any event.
.... ....Is that simply a typo, or
did you intend on denigrating Protestantism by not capitalizing
it?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes you are. That denomination did not come from the
Portestant response to RCC theology.
I am not a protestant, in any event. One of
our daughters is RCC and full of faith. My degree came from a
Catholic University and I have a deeply felt consideation for the Catholic
historian. You should check out some of their
websites. Just punch in "Church fathers" and you will
find yourself in the midst of a number of Catholic sites dealing with the
subject.
I see "protestant" as clubhouse name for those who are
apostate. That is how I believe the term is used.
I have seen posts from Mormon to Mormon that gives me this
opinion.
jd
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From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
It
is the perfect ad hom ................. defensible and
accusatory at the same time.
DAVEH: LOL......You
guys slay me. If I had used the term, Liberal Protestants,
you might have a reasonable chance of having a valid
argument. But to hear you guys recoil from being thought of
as a Protestant is almost as silly as Democrats cringing at being
labeled Liberal. :-)
Just what is it that you think I'm accusing Protestants as being that
you don't like, Bishop? I assume you are a Protestant, aren't you,
John? If I remember correctly, you are a 4Sq adherent, which as I
understand it is a branch of Protestantism.&nb sp; Am I wrong in
assuming such?
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
If truth be told, info from the hearing of flies on the
wall would reveal that "protestant" is a word used by the
Mormon faithful as they speak with contempt of the opposing
hordes. The public use of the word is one thing -- the
private use is another. It is the perfect ad hom
................. defensible and accusatory at the same
time. Would you agree?
jd
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pastor,
what do you think DaveH means by this word
"Protestants"?
the Mormon rhetoric
"Protestants"
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