Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

[Dave Hansen]

official version DAVEH:   I find that comment to be very interesting.  You see, I think many of the TTers have exactly the same problem with LDS theology.  They seem to want to take any given member's comment and consider it to be an official statement.  That simply is not the case.      Regardless of what any particular LDS person says, and I think I will go so far to say it even applies to the leadership of the Church (including the prophet), IFF what they say is not included in the Standard Works of the Church (Bible, BofM, D&C & PoGP) it is not official doctrine.  That is a very broad statement that is probably not true, so please don't assume what I just said is 100% accurate....it is just what is swimming around in my head at the moment.  I'd like to hear Blaine's thoughts about that though.     There are certainly some Church sanctioned material (comments, books, etc) that is not in the Standard Works that is considered to be official material, but I wouldn't go so far to say that it is official doctrine, if that makes any sense.  I know there are many times the Church leaders make off the cuff comments that are based on personal opinion.  Many of them make their living that way, but publishing books related to the Church, but they are not represented as being official doctrines.  They are simply opinions that many feel are inspired.  And, I should say that some LDS people hang on every word that is spoken by the leaders, assuming that they only speak doctrinal truths.  I personally do not feel that way though.   Blaine....what is your perspective on this?     Getting back to your comment about , I should qualify what I mentioned above.  The Church does publish official material (course studies, governing rules, suggested programs, etc.) that are certainly officially from the Church.   But such does not make them officially doctrinal.  The use of the word Ward or Stake to describe the communities of Saints might be an example of such an official Church sanctioned term that is not Scripturally based, to the best of my knowledge.  I guess it is best to consider the difference between the official version and official doctrine.  Maybe that is where the confusion arises.     BTW Pastor........I think some LDS folks have the same problem you have understanding Blaine and me.  As you might know, many LDS folks do not drink caffeinated soft drinks, like Coke or Pepsi.  I've heard some LDS folks say that it is breaking a commandment to do so.  As I understand it, that is simply hogwash.   I occasionally (though rarely) drink a Coke/Pepsi and have no such feelings of guilt.  Some folks just here one thing, and then errantly conclude something else.  It isn't logical to do so, but it is human........and LDS folks are human too.......even me.......though.......some TTers may disagree. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You appear to be well informed.  My frustration with you and Blaine  is the constant confusing of your personal beliefs and the official version.     jd.   -------------- Original message -------------- From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I know some to be    followers of Christ , who know next to nothing about Mormonism. DAVEH:   Care to say how you characterize me, Pastor?   (If you would rather not comment, that is OK....I understand.) if you disagree with that characterization,  my comment about the Mormon Church is further affirmed. DAVEH:  LOL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know some to be    followers of Christ , who know next to nothing about Mormonism.  With that in mind, my answer is yes.   I do not think the Mormon Church is a Christian institution, however  ....   because it claims to be what it is not  -- the restored chruch of the biblcial message.   And,  if you disagree with that characterization,  my comment about the Mormon Church is further affirmed.    jd   -------------- Original message -------------- From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Why would you insist on using the term in a differing way? DAVEH:   What makes you think I'm insisting, John?   I just thought it was an interesting  perspective. Catholics are Christians. DAVEH:   Do you view LDS folks the same way? -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.