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Sent: January 07, 2006 15:55
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ as the incarnate God
[I'm quite excited because in the course of
writing the second paragraph below, I became aware of knowing something
important.]
From what I've read of the exchange, it's hard
to tell what Judy really believes about Jesus. To me it seems that she does
not respond to what is being said so much as to who is saying it: all she knows is that she must disagree with JD and
Bill. This is what I mean when I characterize her as
disingenuous.
Believe me Debbie Sawczak this is not "all
she knows" - This is just what you think is all she knows because you have
no frame of reference for what she
writes.
How indefensible her
statement to the effect that if something is beyond our human
comprehension--in terms of logical deconstruction--it can't be true, that
this is what is meant by "God gives understanding". It
is in fact just the opposite. Through logic, ideas
are entailed by, ultimately contained in, other ideas already
in our heads. There would never be any need for revelation, nor any knight's
moves, and ideas would have priority over persons.
I did not make any such statement so
what is indefensible is a figment of your own imagination Debbie. I was
referring to the habit
of the Church Fathers - who always called
what they could not explain a "mystery" - this is a tradition
that has carried through
and appears in the rcc as well as some other
denominations today as opposed to the Promise of the Father which is the
Spirit who
will lead us into
ALL Truth.
The tone of the whole Bible
is otherwise. This is the Tree, you see, and the whole Bible is about knowing God
versus eating from the Tree.
Not so Debbie; the whole Bible is
about which tree one chooses to eat from; also there
is no way for us to KNOW GOD aside from abiding
in Him and His Words (from the
tree of life) abiding in us. So you are hooked to one tree or the
other whether or not you are
presently aware.
We come back to the book I just bought ("Relational logic"--as opposed to Greek
logic!) and to McGrath's intellectual shift having so much
to do with "getting to know" Torrance. It
has come up before in conversations you and I have had about changing one's
mind: it always has to do with relationship. You know things by opening
yourself to a person. Persons have priority over
ideas. Hey, that is Polanyi, too!! Wow, this all
meshes!! Just composing this paragraph made some connections
obvious to me. D
So you are all into Torrance and Polyani and
human relations/relationships. Oh well!! I guess you will become
like your teachers ... "For what person perceives (knows and understands)
what passes through a man's thoughts except the man's own spirit within
him?" 1 Cor 2:11(Amp). But you don't
get to learn God's thoughts which are higher than mans, or His ways which
are so much wiser. He never trained Moses relationally, he had to
spend 40yrs on the far side of the desert before he was fit for
ministry. Same with the educated Pharisee of the Pharisees Saul. It took up to 14yrs out in the
desert alone after being knocked from his donkey before he was fit to go out
and he clearly says that he did not
confer with flesh ....
