It is, however, a fallacious form of argumentation.
It's called "bagging the questions" and , as such, it is ad hom.
Whether you agree with accepted definition or not, the simple fact that you admit such statements to be "fallacious form[s] of argumentation" should be enough to cause one to be more consistent in one's presentation.
Whether you agree with accepted definition or not, the simple fact that you admit such statements to be "fallacious form[s] of argumentation" should be enough to cause one to be more consistent in one's presentation.
Regarding the use of the word "Moromon:" if such application takes one from the subject at hand , it is ad hom. In Judy's mind, attaching one to the early church fathers is a bad thing (for starters) and forces Bill to leave the subject at hand and make explanation or defend himself on a matter that is off subject. The truth of the debated questions has nothing to do with the chruch fathers and whether or not Bill appreciateds their value.
jd
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From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Bill wrote:
> > If you do like the label, then please cease with
> > the ad hominem arguments, attaching me to
> > the fathers and dismissing my comments on
> > the basis of that association; for when you do
> > that, you are employing a fallacious form of
> > argumentation.
>
> Attaching you to the fathers is not an ad hominem argument. It is no
> different than calling the LDS adherents in this forum "Mormons." It is,
> however, a fallacious form of argumentation. You are no more wrong for
> reading the church fathers and accepting some of what they say than DaveH is
> wrong for reading the Book of Mormon. It would be fallacious for someone to
> argue with DaveH by saying, "but the Book of Mormon taught you that, or the
&g t; Mormon church taught you that, so you must be wrong!"
>
> Bill wrote:
> > Judy, I am asking you to please address the
> > content of my statements. Rebut them if you
> > wish -- with Scripture or whatever other source
> > you would like to use ...
>
> Yes, Judy, please oblige Bill in this regard. Thanks.
>
> Peace be with you.
> David Miller.
>
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