John wrote:
Lance asked about the difference between the
Christ of DM and JT and some others on this forum. There is so much
confusion that one scarsely knows where to begin. Perhaps the best
way to say it is this: they believe in a Christ of Law and grace and
others believe in a Christ of Spirit and grace. The former insists
that obedience is the path to God, ala the Old Law -- and the others
believe that obedience is a response to the Indwelling - an
indwelling that cannot possibly miss His mark because He has become a
part of the ontology of the saint.
John, the only confusion on this is in your
mind. No matter how many times I tell you what I believe, you prefer
to believe falsely about me. You are not even close to characterizing how
I believe. Just because I do not believe that the law has been done away,
as per the teaching of Jesus, but rather that it is the covenant of law that has
been made obsolete by the sacrifice of Christ, does not mean that I believe that
obedience is the path to God ala the Old Law. I'm not aware of anyone on
TruthTalk right now who thinks that way. Slade did, who you got along with
just fine because of his hippy era liberal bent, but he is not here
anymore. If you gave me a multiple choice test, I would check the same box
you would, that obedience is a response to the Indwelling. I also would
check the box for a Christ of Spirit and grace. Your antinomian bias has
confused you concerning what I believe.
I do have to ask you, however, that when you say, "an
indwelling that cannot possibly miss the mark because He has become a part of
the ontology of the saint," are you claiming an ontological infallibility for
yourself simply because you are a Christian?
David Miller.
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Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:03
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Differences
I am sure I agree --- but I do not dismiss the relational
impact (whether positive or negative) of those on this site.
When I came to this forum, I was a supporter of David M,
typically conservative (for lack of a better term) and an oft defender of Judy
Taylor.
And what have I learned? That few on this site have a clue as
to the meaning of "liberal." ........................
that some on this site place concepts (their concepts which they confuse
with divine concpet) as more important than continuing
relationships.
Lance asked about the difference between the Christ of DM and JT and some
others on this forum. There is so much confusion that one scarsely knows
where to begin. Perhaps the best way to say it is this: they
believe in a Christ of Law and grace and others believe in a Christ of Spirit
and grace. The former insists that obedience is the path to God,
ala the Old Law -- and the others believe that obedience is a
response to the Indwelling - an indwelling that cannot
possibly miss His mark because He has become a part of the ontology
of the saint.
That is how I see the difference.
jd
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From: "Dean Moore"
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Sent: 1/11/2006 7:59:37 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism
& Freemasonry
How Kevin treats someone who is willing to listen to him for an
extended period of time has little to do with the way he treats those on
this forum with whom he disagrees.
jd
cd: What I am trying to say is that there is more to Kevin than what
you have seen.
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From: "Dean Moore"
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Sent: 1/10/2006 1:02:01 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Mormonism & Freemasonry
I have had several encounters with SPs over the years, Dean. And
I have observed Kevin's approach to ministry here on TT, not to
mention others who have drifted in and out over the last couple of
years. And so, I will be the first to admit to a limited
experience. Yes, I hung around and listened on more than one occasion,
as I was curious to see the kinds of reactions their preaching
provoked. And no, it didn't seem to me that they ever really got
to the Gospel. "Christ," it seemed, was but a segue to the soul
of their message: "Repent, or be damn!"
Having said that, I am opened to having misjudged Street
Preachers as a whole, by the few I have encountered. That is why I am
open to meeting you in N.O.
Bill
cd: I would like to add in Kevin"s defense-that this
forum is limited in it's expressive forms-One cannot truly learn
another on this site- Kevin has a big heart for the lost and I have
seen him stand and discuss truth for hours with one individual-Great
patience and love shown by Kevin but not seen on this
site.
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