Deity means being God. Do you think that when
Jesus laid aside his glory, he ceased to be God?
No, I am not saying that exactly;
what I am saying is that he didn't come here the same as he was
there
because he took upon himself the
form of a servant and was made a little lower than the angels.
And are you saying that the difference between
Jesus and other human beings, with respect to the
Holy Spirit, is merely quantitative?
Yes, he was given the Spirit
without measure; other born again human beings who are part of
the
New Creation are given a
measure. Another difference I pointed out and you seem to want to
ignore
is holiness of
character.
Third, even if a mere man were completely holy,
unblemished, how could his sacrifice avail for any
more than just one person?
Through the Eternal Spirit (Hebrews
9:14-16)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: January 13, 2006 13:32
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ -
incarnate God (Judy)
Depends what you are calling "his diety" If
it is the glory he had with the Father since the world began
then yes he emptied himself leaving that behind
when he took upon himself a body of flesh. The difference
between him and other humans indwelt by the Spirit
is the measure (ie he was given the Spirit without measure)
along with holiness; he loved righteousness
and hated evil an ordinary human would never qualify as a
perfect
sacrifice without blemish.
Do you mean, Judy, that he left behind his
deity when he was on earth, that he was not God while on earth? In that
case, how was he different from any other human being indwelt by the
Spirit? And how could the sacrifice of such a one avail for the whole
human race, let alone the whole cosmos? It is God alone who saves, is it
not?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: January 13, 2006 12:32
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ
- incarnate God (Judy)
I'm puzzled by your _expression_, Judy
'what about Jesus made Him divine'.
It is not as if he were a man to
whom a special endowment were added or superimposed, 'making' him
God.
He is divine because he is God the Son
who has existed from eternity, of one nature with the Father
and Spirit,
come AS A human being.
He is God the Word from
eternity; there is no mention of the second member of the Godhead
being a son until the
day he was begotten (Ps
2:7, Heb 1:5; 3:5, 6; 2 Pet 1:17, 18). Then there is the fact
that he is also the son of man.
His existence from eternity
has been The Promise.
Your question is like asking what makes
God God. He ain't Clark Kent, Judy who needs only to remove his robe
thus revealing his Superman garb.
No he layed aside his
superman garb and emptied himself as per Phil 2 .... ATST he was holy
and separate from sinners...
So you believe he walked as
God and was as much God on earth as he was in heaven
Lance?
Dean and
Lance,
What exactly was it about jesus that made
him divine?
Since you say you know what it was not -
can you now tell me what it is?
judyt
Lance wrote:
It was not the Holy Spirit "in" Jesus that made him divine,
if it were then all believers would be equally divine.
Yes; this is what I thought
to myself also when I read Judy's post about
that.
D
cd: Lance and
Debbie- what bearing do you view Jesus having that
spirit "without measure" have on you
statement?
Albert Barns wrote:
Joh 3:34
-
Whom God hath sent - The Messiah.
Speaketh the words of God - The truth, or commands of
God.
For God giveth not the Spirit - The Spirit of God.
Though Jesus was God as well as man, yet, as Mediator, God
anointed him, or endowed him with the influences of his
Spirit, so as to be completely qualified for his great
work.
By measure - Not in a small degree, but fully,
completely. The prophets were inspired on particular
occasions to deliver special messages. The Messiah was
continually filled with the Spirit of God. "The Spirit dwelt
in him, not as a vessel, but as in a fountain, as in a
bottomless ocean (Henry).
