Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] The mystery of Judy's gospel

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From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

 

 

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 01:45:00 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

1.  You believe that unregenerated man cannot do what is right.  You have stated that many times in the past.   I was just hoping that you good explain how that can be true with the example of Nineveh hanging over this theological conclusion. 

 

I have no problem with unregenerated man repenting and this is what the ppl of Nineveh did; when one

have no theological boxes there is no problem.

 

So, you do believe that unregenerated man can do good things, can do what is right. 

 

 

2.  Secondly,  you believe that Christ stopped being God in spite of the oft quoted (by you) passage "God is the same  yesterday, today, and forever."    I was hoping for an explanation of this, as well. 

 

No worries JD.  Yesterday he was God the Word, today He is God the Word, and this will be his place

in the Godhead forever.  Actually you do not quote correctly JD.  It is Jesus Christ, the same yesterday,

today and forever.

 

I wasn't quoting Hebrews 13:8.  I was quoting you form previous discussions !!   Hebrews 13"8 is a clear pronouncement of the deity of Christ  --  only God  IMO merits such an observation concerning sameness.

 

Ask me a question, Judy, about my beliefs and I will be glad to answer it emphatically , not fearing being "set up."   I do not mind being responsible for what I consider to be true.  Could you please do the same?      I doubt anyone on this forum can tell the rest of us what you believe.    Seriously  jd

 

That's easy JD.  I BELIEVE THE BIBLE

The implication in your answer above is that we can turn to the biblical message and simply read the text to discover what you believe.  Such is not the case .  You often add your reasoned opinion to explain a particular doctrinal position.  We all do this of course,  but more than that,  your statement [further] implies that conflicting opinion is simply not biblical !!  No one on this forum agrees with that determination  --  at least, not in a practical sense.

 

jd

 

 

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From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

God is the Creator of the ppl in Nineveh also and He is merciful and longsuffering enough

to want to give them one more chance which they took for a measure of time even though they

regressed later and were eventually destroyed.  Their response to Jonah's warning bought

them some time but unfortunately they did not gain eternity.

 

On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 23:24:19 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

And what does that have to do with the people of Nineveh?  They don't have to have the

Spirit to do right as long as the preacher has the Spirit? 

 

jd

 

From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Yes ... and Jonah was called by God and anointed to speak by the Spirit of God..

 

On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 23:15:38 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

But aren't you the one who  preaches that one cannot do the works of God without the Spirit of God? 

jd

 

From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Death reigned from Adam to Moses and it reigned over Nineveh in Jonah's day.. So obviously

the wages of sin is death with or without a written Law.  Jonah called on these people to repent

and they did do that in sackcloth and ashes...  even without theological permission.

 

 

On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:36:00 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

well, Nineveh was not under the Law.  Jonah does not call them to the Law. 

And it is the Law that defines sin to be sin.     Can sin exist apart from the law? 

Paul says it does.   Jonah is certainly not calling them to live their lives as the

Jews lived theirs !!  jd

 

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:56:35 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

I'm with Bill on this one. God is with Bill on this one, IMO, of course.

 

I'm not surprised since you and Bill are so into culture and all that - but don't bring God into your folly.

The pagan Persian City of Nineveh repented at the preaching of Jonah (Luke 11:32)  And what do you

suppose his message to them was? 

From: Judy Taylor

 

How interesting - Debbie Sawzak is of a Calvinistic bent; because after all it is his doctrine that claims one must be regenerated before it is possible to repent because of "total depravity" and this comes out of a misunderstanding of the spiritual realities involved. 

 

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:21:05 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

From: Debbie Sawczak

Is repentance part of the Gospel? Yes, the NT is replete with directives to repent. But repentance is not a means by which or through which people are saved. It is Jesus Christ who is our Savior. Salvation is in him, complete with mediation on our behalf. Repentance is therefore our response to the greatest news the world has ever heard; it is our response to the good news of Jesus Christ. Amen.

 

Lance, I now see what you meant today about the exchange bw Bill and David, having read the full message from Bill. The above is the crux, isn't it? It (esp the part I bolded) reminds me of what Victor said numerous times in his Human Person course: I know Christ first of all, before anything else, as my Saviour. The accountability, the repentance, arise out of that.

 

D

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