I assumed the quoted translation to be an interlinear and literal translation, in which case the reading is both typically difficult but supportive of Bill's comments.
Look at the quote and you will see the need for further 'translation."
Truly therefore, let know all the house of Yisra'el that YHWH and the
> Messiah has made Eloah this Yeshua, whom you crucified."
> Messiah has made Eloah this Yeshua, whom you crucified."
This appears to be an interlinear and literal translation. It's difficulty is attached to its literal nature: I assumed this translation to be in agreement with the gk text, not counter to the gk text as you seem to claim.
And this is how I solved the "syntaxual" problems: (and I did this almost as a matter of instinct - being accustomed to the same difficulties in the literal translations of the gk interlinears.)
Truly therefore, let know all the house of Yisra'el that YHWH and the
I therefore truly say this, let all the House of Israel know that
Messiah has made Eloah this Yeshua, whom you crucified."
God has made this Jesus YHWH and Messiah , whom you crucified.
God has made this Jesus YHWH and Messiah , whom you crucified.
Is this a literal translation of the Hebrew Roots text? It certainly appears to be.
jd
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> No, John. Ask Bill. I'm sure he understood. Bill put Elohim as the
> subject making Yeshua YHWH. This translation from the Hebrew and Aramaic
> texts of the New Testament puts YHWH as the subject making Yeshua Elohim.
> It calls into question the reliability of Bill's point about the "triune
> decision" where Yeshua would be part of the decision making process to make
> himself YHWH and Messiah. There are some other points to be made, but if
> you can't see this point, there is no reason to go into it further.
>
> David Miller
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> The Hebraic-Roots Version translates Acts 2:36 as:
> "Truly therefore, let know all the house of Yisra'el that YHWH and the
> Messiah has made Eloah this Yeshua, whom you crucified." DM
>
> and this, in fact, validates Bill's thesis !!
>
>
> Surely you know better than to hang the entire gospel on one's
> interpretation of one sermon. We are not told the entire message of Peter,
> so we don't really know all the things Peter hammered upon concerning
> repentance. DM
>
> I doubt that Bill's whole theology on this matter comes from this
> assage -- but surely it is of value to discus what IS written. There is
> no question whatsoever that Peter was calling them to a point of view about
> Christ that they (the Jews) had gotten wrong. Luke want's Theophilus to
> see the importance of Jesus as YHWH and Messiah -- and the role this
> played in the conversion (repentance) of the very people who had Him
> crucified .
> jd
>
>
>
>
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>
> > Bill wrote:
> > > Please consider this with me: the Hebrew speaking
> > > Jews present that day would have heard Peter saying
> > > to them that "Elohim hath made that same Yeshua . . .
> > > both Yahweh and Messiah." Does this mean that God
> > > made Jesus divine? No, it means that Elohim -- a plural
> > > noun; hence it being a triune decision -- made Yeshua the
> > > one whom the Jews had been worshiping throughout their
> > > history as a people. Peter is saying to them that the one
> > > whom they had nailed to the cross was the very covenant-
> > > keeping YHWH of their fathers. Hence they were cut to
> > > the heart and feared greatly. What must they do? they asked.
> &g t; > They must change their minds about this Jesus and be baptized
> > > (in his name no less!) into the forgiveness of sins, whereupon
> > > they would receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
> >
> > The Hebraic-Roots Version translates Acts 2:36 as:
> > "Truly therefore, let know all the house of Yisra'el that YHWH and the
> > Messiah has made Eloah this Yeshua, whom you crucified."
> >
> > So I'm not sure about your emphasis on Elohim and the triune decision.
> >
> > Bill wrote:
> > > To shift the emphasis from this to a general call to turn
> > > from sin, which is what most preaching on repentance
> > > entails, is to miss the thrust of Peter's sermon: that this
> > > Jesus whom they had crucified was in fact their LORD
> > > and Christ; it is therefore to miss the primary aspect of
> > > repentance -- that they believe in this Yahweh who saves < BR>> > > -- and to make that which is now but a subsidiary, although
> > > an important one, the main point, thus changing the thrust
> > > of the Gospel.
> >
> > Surely you know better than to hang the entire gospel on one's
> > interpretation of one sermon. We are not told the entire message of Peter,
> > so we don't really know all the things Peter hammered upon concerning
> > repentance.
> >
> > I'm not going to quibble with you about your putting an emphasis upon
> > people
> > changing their minds about who Jesus is. It is important! I would not
> > quibble with you in saying that repentance from sin is subsidiary to
> > repenting about one's attitude toward Jesus. On the other hand, if you are
> > going to quibble about preachers who might sometimes put the emphasis on
> > repenting from sin, repenting from their evil deeds, then you will hear
> > some
> > comment from me on that.
> >
> > Heb. 6:1 says that an elementary principle of the doctrine of Christ is
> > repentance from dead works. This clearly links repentance and sin. Many
> > other passages likewise do the same. Fo r example:
> >
> > Revelation 16:11
> > (11) And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their
> > sores, and repented not of their deeds.
> >
> > Revelation 9:21
> > (21) Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor
> > of
> > their fornication, nor of their thefts.
> >
> > Revelation 2:21-23
> > (21) And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented
> > not.
> > (22) Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery
> > with
> > her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
> > (23) And I will kill he r children with death; and all the churches shall
> > know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give
> > unto
> > every one of you according to your works.
> >
> > 2 Corinthians 12:21
> > (21) And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and
> > that
> > I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not rep ented of
> > the
> > uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.
> >
> > Paul makes a connection between repentance and works in his appeal to
> > Agrippa:
> >
> > Acts 26:19-20
> > (19) Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly
> > vision:
> > (20) But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and
> > throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they
> > should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
> >
> > We have to understand the difference between a sowing ministry and a
> > reaping
> > ministry. They are not the same. They have a different emphasis. John the
> > Baptist represents the sowing ministry. It is the Elijah ministry. It is
> > also a last days ministry. It prepares the way for the Lord. The focus of
> > it is upon sin, righteousness, and the judgment to come.
> >
> > Consider what Jesus taught in the following passage:
> >
> > John 4:37-38
> > (37) And herein is that saying true, One soweth, and another reapeth.
> > (38) I sent you to reap that whereon ye bestowed no labour: other men
> > laboured, and ye are entered into their labours
> >
> > Clearly, such a passage reveals how God uses different men and different
> > ministries to effect his work. Even Jesus reaped where he had not sown.
> > John the Bapti st prepared the way before him.
> >
> > Therefore, it is not good for any who might focus upon the reaping
> > ministry
> > to be schismatic toward the one in the sowing ministry. Someone has to
> > plow
> > up the soil, break it up, and plant the seed. Someone else comes along and
> > reaps what was sown. Different tools and different methods are used in
> > both
> > works, but both works are of the Lord.
> >
> > I think we should agree that repentance is part of the gospel message, and
> > both repentance of a bad attitude toward Jesus as well as repentance from
> > other sins is what is in mind.
> >
> > David Miller.
> >
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