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Amen!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: January 15, 2006 23:07
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Differences
I know that you say that you do not believe that one must be right to be
saved, but you do not realize that I do not believe one is saved by embracing
the right philosophy. One is saved by faith in Jesus Christ, which
results in righteousness being imparted to the believer apart from
works. The fruit of that faith is good works being wrought in the life
of the believer. This is my paradigm.
David Miller.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:03
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Differences
As to your last question -- you know that I do not
believe that one must be right right to be saved. I fear
that the answer to your question is what you believe.
The gospel you express on this site is the produce of a very different
paradigm than mine. Not that I am right - but simply
that we are most different.
jd
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From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
John wrote:
> > If you sin and do not repent, for whatever
> > reason, will that single sin place you in hell.
>
> Not true, John. I cannot believe that you would argue such a
point.
>
> John wrote:
> > You speak of rebuking
and hell muhc more
> > ofter than I, of course.
>
> That's because Jesus spoke of rebuking and hell much more often
than you do.
>
> John wrote:
> > Surely we would
not check the same boxes
> > on whatever test !! LOL
>
> IMO, you overestimate our differences. If our differences are as
severe as
> you make them out to be, then it would impossible for
us both to be saved.
> Is that what you believe?
>
>
David Miller
>
>
> ----- Original Mes sage -----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To:
[email protected] ; [email protected]
> Sent:
Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Differences
>
> See below
>
> --------------
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> From: "David Miller"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> John wrote:
> Lance asked
about the difference between the Christ of DM and JT and some
>
others on this forum. There is so much confusion that one scarsely knows
> where to begin. Perhaps the best way to say it is this: they
believe in a
> Christ of Law and grace and others believe in a
Christ of Spirit and grace.
> The former insists that obedience is
the path to God, ala the Old Law --
> and the others believe that
obedience is a response to the Indwelling -
> an indwelling that
cannot possibly miss His mark because He has become a
> part of the
ontology of the saint.
>
> John, the only confu sion on this
is in your mind. No matter how many times
> I tell you what I
believe, you prefer to believe falsely about me. You are
> not even
close to characterizing how I believe. Just because I do not
>
believe that the law has been done away, as per the teaching of Jesus, but
> rather that it is the covenant of law that has been made obsolete
by the
> sacrifice of Christ, does not mean that I believe that
obedience is the path
> to God ala the Old Law. I'm not aware of
anyone on TruthTalk right now who
> thinks that way. Slade did, who
you got along with just fine because of his
> hippy era liberal
bent, but he is not here anymore. If you gave me a
> multiple
choice test, I would check the same box you would, that obedience
>
is a response to the Indwelling. I also would check the box for a Christ
of
> Spirit and grace. Your antinomian bias has confused you
concerning what I
> believe.
>
>
> If you sin
and do not repent, for whatever reason, will that single sin
>
place you in hell. You speak of rebuking and hell muhc more ofter than I,
> of course. Surely we would not check the same boxes on whatever
test !!
> LOL
>
>
> I do have to ask you,
however, that when you say, "an indwelling that cannot
> possibly
miss the mark because He has become a part of the ontology of the
>
saint," are you claiming an ontological infallibility for yourself simply
> because you are a Christian?
>
>
> I am
acknowledging God's guarantee to complete the task He has initiated
> within me. If He has become a part of who I am, ontologically,
then how
> can I be lost apart from an outright rebellion to his
presense? With that
> in mind, I will answer your question in a
single word, "Yes."
>
>
>
>
>
>
David Miller.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .org ;
[email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006
11:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Differences
>
>
>
> I am sure I agree --- but I do not dismiss the
relational impact (whether
> positive or negative) of those on this
site.
>
> When I came to this forum, I was a supporter of
David M, typically
> conservative (for lack of a better term) and
an oft defender of Judy Taylor.
>
> And what have I learned?
That few on this site have a clue as to the
> meaning of "liberal."
........................ that some on this site
> place concepts
(their concepts which they confuse with divine concpet) as
> more
important than continuing relationships.
>
> Lance asked
about the difference between the Christ of DM and JT and some
>
others on this forum. There is so much confusion that one scarsely knows
> where to begin. Perhaps the best way to say it is this: they
believe in a
> Christ of Law and grace and others believe in a
Christ of Spirit and grace.
> The former insists that obedience is
the path to God, ala the Old Law --
> and the others believe that
obedience is a response to the Indwelling -
> an indwelling that
cannot possibly miss His mark because He has become a
> part of the
ontology of the saint.
>
> That is how I see the difference.
> jd
>
>
>
> -------------- Original
message --------------
> From: "Dean Moore"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
[email protected];[email protected]
> Sent:
1/11/2006 7:59:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism &
Freemasonry
>
>
> How Kevin treats someone who is
willing to listen to him for an extended
> period of time has
little to do with the way he treats those on this forum
> with whom
he disagrees.
> > jd
> cd: What I am trying to say
is that there is more to Kevin than what you
> have seen.
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From:
"Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Taylor
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: 1/10/2006 1:02:01
AM
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism & Freemasonry
>
>
> I have had several encounters with SPs over the years,
Dean. And I have
> observed Kevin's approach to ministry here on
TT, not to mention others who
> have drifted in and out over the
last couple of years. And so, I will be the
> first to admit to a
limited experience. Yes, I hung around and listened on
> more than
one occasion, as I was curious to see the kinds of reactions their
> preaching provoked. And no, it didn't seem to me that they ever
really got
> to the Gospel. "Christ," it seemed, was b ut a segue
to the soul of their
> message: "Repent, or be damn!"
>
> Having said that, I am opened to having misjudged Street
Preachers as a
> whole, by the few I have encountered. That is why
I am open to meeting you
> in N.O.
>
> Bill
>
cd: I would like to add in Kevin"s defense-that this forum is limited in
> it's expressive forms-One cannot truly learn another on this
site- Kevin has
> a big heart for the lost and I have seen him
stand and discuss truth for
> hours with one individual-Great
patience and love shown by Kevin but not
> seen on this site.
>
> ----------
> "Let your speech be always with
grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how
> you ought to
answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org
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