> The problem with the word "Trinity" is that it assume Three.
What do you
> do
> with texts that speak about the Seven Spirits
of God?
>
> David Miller.
>
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Lance and "biblical language"
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>
> I do not agree.
"Trinity" is as much a translation of the concept of
> "divine essence"
as is "godhead" but for theological and contextual
>
reasons. Call it philosophy if you will. The inclusion of
"trinity" is a
> sound choice if it , in fact, arises from a point
of truth. Equivalency
> is a word that figures into my
discussion. I am sure you understand the
>
implication.
>
> jd
>
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> From: "David Miller" <
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>>
The word "Trinity" is not a translation, nor is it a transliteration.
It
>> is
>> a word of philosophers, a word constructed by
theologians, and it is a
>> philosophically loaded word. The various
words of the Greek language that
>> have been translated "Godhead"
have at their root the word "theos," and
>> therefore, "Godhead" is
an appropriate translation whereas "Trinity" is
>> not.
>>
The root for "three" is not found in the Greek language for this
word.
>>
>> David Miller
>>
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>> From:
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Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: Fw:
[TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language"
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>>
>>
Your response has nothing to do with my comments, near as I can
see.
>> My point is this: every English word in our bible is "added "
to the
>> original text. so you like godhead" and I like "trinity."
They are both
>> translations of the orgiinal word and/or
thought.
>>
>> jd
>>
>> --------------
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>> From: Judy
Taylor
>>
>> Here we go again - And who is the one who
denied staking everything on
>> translational and Gk
>>
arguments - very, very, recently?. judyt
>>
>> On Sat, 14
Jan 2006 14:54:47 +0000
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writes:
>>
>> Here is an approximation of the [NT] biblical
language"
>>
>> gar nomoz tou pneumatoz thz swhzev
Cristy
>>
>> All other words [in [English] translation] are
"non-biblical."
>> "Incarnate" is no less a "biblical word" than "in
the flesh" -- nor
>> "trinity " in the place of
"Godhead."
>>
>> Our translations are copies of the original
tex t (as best as we can
>> reconstruct that text) . The Latin
Vulgate has the same place in biblical
>> history in terms of type
and quality as does the more literal of the
>> English
>>
translations.
>>
>> To argue without end over "Godhead"
verses "Trinity" is argue about
>> nothing. I have just as much
authority to read "trinity" as someone has
>> to read "godhead" or
"divine nature."
>>
>>
jd
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------
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>> From: "Lance
Muir"
>>
>> On employing 'non-biblical' terminology when
speaking of WHO Jesus is:
>> Insofar as the language one chooses
accurately reflects the subject under
>> discussion it may be viewed
as legitimate, helpful and, even necessary.
>>
>> May I ask
that anyone responding to the above take the time to outline
>>
their
>> own position on this.
>> ----- Original Message
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>> From: Judy Taylor
>> To:
[email protected]>>
Cc:
[email protected]>>
Sent: January 14, 2006 08:53
>> Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and
trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS
>> NOT
>>
DIVINE
>>
>>
>> I don't know about all that Lance.
What exact part of him are you calling
>> "his humanity" Is it the
body or the soul?
>> Also what exactly is a "trinitarian nature?"
These are brand new terms
>> someone has come up with. Could
this
>> be called "adding to the Word of
Truth?"
>>
>> On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:39:32 -0500 "Lance
Muir"
>> writes:
>> Judy, rightly IMO, has oft spoken of the
disconnect that may take place
>> between theologizing and godliness.
Conversely, as illustrated in this
>> post
>> by Bill, a
more thoroughgoing teaching, along with the apprehension, of
>>
the
>> Trinitarian Nature of God ought to issue in that which Jt
speaks of.
>> (i.e.
>>
godliness)
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Messag e -----
>> From: Taylor
>> To:
[email protected]>>
Sent: January 14, 2006 07:18
>> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] love and
trinity
>>
>>
>> BillT wrote: The oneness of God is
therefore not a number nearly so much
>> as
>> it is a
unity: the unifying
>> love of God in koinonia -- Father, Son, and
Holy Spirit.
>>
>>
>> DAVEH responds: Any room for
individuals in that equation?..........The
>> oneness of God is
therefore........Father, Son, Holy Spirit & Bill.
>>
>>
Well, yes and no, DH. I am included in that circle of love in the way
>> that
>> Christ's humanity is included in that
relationship. But as the humanity
>> of
>> Christ is not
divine, neither am I divine. What I am is included in the
>> humanity
of the divine Christ and thus included in the eternal fellowship
>>
and community of the Son with the Father in the Holy Spirit. And
because
>> of
>> the inseparable union of the person of
Christ, his humanity with h is
>> divinity, I will forever be
included in the loving union of the Trinity,
>> the
>>
oneness of God.
>>
>> Good question,
though,
>>
>> Bill
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Dave Hansen
>> To:
[email protected]>>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
love and trinity
>>
>>
>>
>> .........Does
that work in your theological paradigm?
>>
>> Taylor
wrote:
>> Moreover, John, if God is love and God is also a
singularity, like many
>> people think of "one" in the statement "God
is one," then the greatest
>> human
>> _expression_ of that
love would be narcissism: extreme self love; for that
>> would be to
exemplify the love of God. Instead, God is "one" -- and has
>>
been
>> from eternity -- precisely because of the other-centered love
which
>> exists
>> between the Father for the Son and the
Son for the Father in the Holy
>> Spirit. The oneness of God is th
erefore not a number nearly so much as
>> it
>>
is
>> a unity: the unifying
>> love of God in koinonia --
Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
>>
>> Good insight, Dude, I
mean Bish; you're on a roll.
>>
>> Bill
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