> The problem with the word "Trinity" is that it assume Three.
What do you
> do
> with texts that speak about the Seven
Spirits of God?
>
> David Miller.
>
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>
> I do not agree.
"Trinity" is as much a translation of the concept of
> "divine
essence" as is "godhead" but for theological and contextual
>
reasons. Call it philosophy if you will. The inclusion of
"trinity" is a
> sound choice if it , in fact, arises from a
point of truth. Equivalency
> is a word that figures into
my discussion. I am sure you understand the
>
implication.
>
> jd
>
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> From: "David Miller" <
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>>
The word "Trinity" is not a translation, nor is it a transliteration.
It
>> is
>> a word of philosophers, a word constructed by
theologians, and it is a
>> philosophically loaded word. The
various words of the Greek language that
>> have been translated
"Godhead" have at their root the word "theos," and
>> therefore,
"Godhead" is an appropriate translation whereas "Trinity" is
>>
not.
>> The root for "three" is not found in the Greek language for
this word.
>>
>> David Miller
>>
>>
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>> From:
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Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: Fw:
[TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical
language"
>>
>>
>> Your response has nothing to
do with my comments, near as I can see.
>> My point is this: every
English word in our bible is "added " to the
>> original text. so
you like godhead" and I like "trinity." They are both
>>
translations of the orgiinal word and/or thought.
>>
>>
jd
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: Judy Taylor
>>
>> Here we go again -
And who is the one who denied staking everything on
>>
translational and Gk
>> arguments - very, very, recently?.
judyt
>>
>> On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:54:47 +0000
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writes:
>>
>> Here is an approximation of the [NT]
biblical language"
>>
>> gar nomoz tou pneumatoz thz
swhzev Cristy
>>
>> All other words [in [English]
translation] are "non-biblical."
>> "Incarnate" is no less a
"biblical word" than "in the flesh" -- nor
>> "trinity " in the
place of "Godhead."
>>
>> Our translations are copies of
the original tex t (as best as we can
>> reconstruct that text) .
The Latin Vulgate has the same place in biblical
>> history in
terms of type and quality as does the more literal of the
>>
English
>> translations.
>>
>> To argue without
end over "Godhead" verses "Trinity" is argue about
>> nothing. I
have just as much authority to read "trinity" as someone has
>> to
read "godhead" or "divine nature."
>>
>>
jd
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> From: "Lance
Muir"
>>
>> On employing 'non-biblical' terminology when
speaking of WHO Jesus is:
>> Insofar as the language one chooses
accurately reflects the subject under
>> discussion it may be
viewed as legitimate, helpful and, even necessary.
>>
>>
May I ask that anyone responding to the above take the time to
outline
>> their
>> own position on this.
>>
----- Original Message -----
>> From: Judy Taylor
>> To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>>
Cc:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>>
Sent: January 14, 2006 08:53
>> Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love
and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS
>> NOT
>>
DIVINE
>>
>>
>> I don't know about all that
Lance. What exact part of him are you calling
>> "his humanity" Is
it the body or the soul?
>> Also what exactly is a "trinitarian
nature?" These are brand new terms
>> someone has come up with.
Could this
>> be called "adding to the Word of
Truth?"
>>
>> On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:39:32 -0500 "Lance
Muir"
>> writes:
>> Judy, rightly IMO, has oft spoken of
the disconnect that may take place
>> between theologizing and
godliness. Conversely, as illustrated in this
>> post
>>
by Bill, a more thoroughgoing teaching, along with the apprehension,
of
>> the
>> Trinitarian Nature of God ought to issue in
that which Jt speaks of.
>> (i.e.
>>
godliness)
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Messag e -----
>> From: Taylor
>> To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>>
Sent: January 14, 2006 07:18
>> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] love and
trinity
>>
>>
>> BillT wrote: The oneness of God
is therefore not a number nearly so much
>> as
>> it is a
unity: the unifying
>> love of God in koinonia -- Father, Son, and
Holy Spirit.
>>
>>
>> DAVEH responds: Any room
for individuals in that equation?..........The
>> oneness of God is
therefore........Father, Son, Holy Spirit &
Bill.
>>
>> Well, yes and no, DH. I am included in that
circle of love in the way
>> that
>> Christ's humanity is
included in that relationship. But as the humanity
>>
of
>> Christ is not divine, neither am I divine. What I am is
included in the
>> humanity of the divine Christ and thus included
in the eternal fellowship
>> and community of the Son with the
Father in the Holy Spirit. And because
>> of
>> the
inseparable union of the person of Christ, his humanity with h
is
>> divinity, I will forever be included in the loving union of
the Trinity,
>> the
>> oneness of
God.
>>
>> Good question, though,
>>
>>
Bill
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Dave
Hansen
>> To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:41 PM
>> Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] love and trinity
>>
>>
>>
>>
.........Does that work in your theological
paradigm?
>>
>> Taylor wrote:
>> Moreover, John,
if God is love and God is also a singularity, like many
>> people
think of "one" in the statement "God is one," then the greatest
>>
human
>> _expression_ of that love would be narcissism: extreme self
love; for that
>> would be to exemplify the love of God. Instead,
God is "one" -- and has
>> been
>> from eternity --
precisely because of the other-centered love which
>>
exists
>> between the Father for the Son and the Son for the Father
in the Holy
>> Spirit. The oneness of God is th erefore not a
number nearly so much as
>> it
>> is
>> a unity:
the unifying
>> love of God in koinonia -- Father, Son, and Holy
Spirit.
>>
>> Good insight, Dude, I mean Bish; you're on a
roll.
>>
>> Bill
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