Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now

[Taylor]

CD wrote  > I hold that the law is our school master to bring us to Christ. It teaches us we have done wrong but also defines what is right ...       "School master" is a very poor translation of the Greek word paidagogos (pedagogue). In the Greek world a pedagogue was a slave that protected children while taking them to their teacher/master. Hence he was not considered a teacher at all, nor a tutor, nor a master; he was but a slave protector of children.   Now go back to Galatians and see what you think the Jewish recipients of Paul's address were thinking when Paul told them that they were no longer under a "slave" and that their master/teacher was not the Law but Christ.    Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 5:50 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now       ----- Original Message ----- From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/15/2006 8:00:28 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now Dean, are you saying that Christ means to include "law" in that which is "believed?" cd: Yes. As the I hold that the law is our school master to bring us to Christ. It teaches us we have done wrong but also defines what is right to which Christ even gave a deeper understanding of that gift. So I maintain that the gift was not only not removed by Christ but added too as to make the gift more desirable. So I hold the prospective that the Law is 'Good and Holy' and one of God gifts which -in his love-He will never take from us.   If so,  what is the practical advantage to 'unmerited grace" and the continuing fact of forgiveness in the sacrificial death of Christ?    cd: The Law allowed for the 'unmerited grace'-without the law there is no need for grace. John please define what you mean by "continuing fact of forgiveness"?Thanks bro.    jd     -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cd: I view the word "unbelief" to portray a larger image than what has been stated in this discussion. To have unbelief is not only to reject the person of Christ but to also reject his words which very clearly points one towards God's law and God's grace. So if John 3:18 is correct then one must receive this larger image if not on new birth then later at the bidding of the Holy Ghost. Note and point : One sin can send one to hell if there is refusal of compliance to the conviction power of the Spirit (1 Cor 6:9)-so be not deceived-but sin can also make one least in the kingdom of heaven.This speaks of a personal judgement between the person and God.       ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/15/2006 8:28:37 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now If this Victor person is correct and "UNBELIEF" is the predicament humanity is in then why was the Holy Spirit sent to reprove the WORLD (note this is not just God's covenant ppl) of SIN, righteousness, and judgment? (John 16:8)  Why didn't God send Him as an antidote to "unbelief" only if this is the main problem??   On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 06:50:35 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:   ----- Original Message ----- From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: January 14, 2006 17:02 Subject: OK, done working for now paragraph in this lecture of Victor's:   I've often said, too, that the hardest part of any service of worship for the minister is the children's story, because nearly all the children's stories here are moralistic bromides. It's just moralistic bromide. And the Gospel isn't heard because we assume that children can't understand the Gospel. They can be taught not to steal, and they can be taught not to swear, but they can't understand the Gospel. This is ridiculous, but keep your eye on the Christian education wing of your church or denomination, because that's where the Gospel goes down.   It strikes me that street preaching and children's sermons go down the same wrong path!   Paragraph from next lecture:   The protestant reformers maintain that the root problem is Sin and it gives rise to sins. But be sure you know which is which, or you will never come to terms with the Gospel. Morality maintains that little "s" sins plural is the human predicament. The Gospel maintains that capital "S" Sin singular – unbelief – is the predicament.   This is the difference between David's understanding of repentance and Bill's/JD's.   D   -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/229 - Release Date: 1/13/2006   -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Plains.Net, and is believed to be clean.