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Sent: 1/16/2006 10:40:20 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now
CD wrote > I hold that the law is our school master to bring us to Christ. It teaches us we have done wrong but also defines what is right ...
"School master" is a very poor translation of the Greek word paidagogos (pedagogue). In the Greek world a pedagogue was a slave that protected children while taking them to their teacher/master. Hence he was not considered a teacher at all, nor a tutor, nor a master; he was but a slave protector of children.
Now go back to Galatians and see what you think the Jewish recipients of Paul's address were thinking when Paul told them that they were no longer under a "slave" and that their master/teacher was not the Law but Christ.
Bill
Cd; I can agree with you to this extent-We are no longer under the law because the law is meant to be binding to those that break that law. If I go to my local town and cause no harm then the law has no hold upon me-but if I break a window while in town then the law has a claim on me. Christ frees us from the punishment of the law so we are in effect above the law but Paul also said that if we fall back under the law then full weight of that law will fall upon us.Much of the below agrees with you and some supports me.
Jamison,Fausset and Brown wrote:
Gal 3:25 - "But now that faith is come," &c. Moses the lawgiver cannot bring us into the heavenly Canaan though he can bring us to the border of it. At that point he is superseded by Joshua, the type of Jesus, who leads the true Israel into their inheritance. The law leads us to Christ, and there its office ceases.
Adam Clark wrote:
Gal 3:25 -
But, after that faith is come - When Christ was manifested in the flesh, and the Gospel was preached, we were no longer under the pedagogue; we came to Christ, learned of him, became wise unto salvation, had our fruit unto holiness, and the end eternal life.
It is worthy of remark that, as ?? ??µ??, the Law, is used by St. Paul to signify, not only the law, properly so called, but the whole of the Mosaic economy, so ?? p?st??, the Faith, is used by him to express, not merely the act of believing in Christ, but the whole of the Gospel.
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Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now
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Sent: 1/15/2006 8:00:28 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now
Dean, are you saying that Christ means to include "law" in that which is "believed?"
cd: Yes. As the I hold that the law is our school master to bring us to Christ. It teaches us we have done wrong but also defines what is right to which Christ even gave a deeper understanding of that gift. So I maintain that the gift was not only not removed by Christ but added too as to make the gift more desirable. So I hold the prospective that the Law is 'Good and Holy' and one of God gifts which -in his love-He will never take from us.
If so, what is the practical advantage to 'unmerited grace" and the continuing fact of forgiveness in the sacrificial death of Christ?
cd: The Law allowed for the 'unmerited grace'-without the law there is no need for grace. John please define what you mean by "continuing fact of forgiveness"?Thanks bro.
jd
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From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
cd: I view the word "unbelief" to portray a larger image than what has been stated in this discussion. To have unbelief is not only to reject the person of Christ but to also reject his words which very clearly points one towards God's law and God's grace. So if John 3:18 is correct then one must receive this larger image if not on new birth then later at the bidding of the Holy Ghost. Note and point : One sin can send one to hell if there is refusal of compliance to the conviction power of the Spirit (1 Cor 6:9)-so be not deceived-but sin can also make one least in the kingdom of heaven.This speaks of a personal judgement between the person and God.
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Sent: 1/15/2006 8:28:37 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now
If this Victor person is correct and "UNBELIEF" is the predicament humanity is in then why was the Holy Spirit
sent to reprove the WORLD (note this is not just God's covenant ppl) of SIN, righteousness, and judgment?
(John 16:8) Why didn't God send Him as an antidote to "unbelief" only if this is the main problem??
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Sent: January 14, 2006 17:02
Subject: OK, done working for now
paragraph in this lecture of Victor's:
I've often said, too, that the hardest part of any service of worship for the minister is the children's story, because nearly all the children's stories here are moralistic bromides. It's just moralistic bromide. And the Gospel isn't heard because we assume that children can't understand the Gospel. They can be taught not to steal, and they can be taught not to swear, but they can't understand the Gospel. This is ridiculous, but keep your eye on the Christian education wing of your church or denomination, because that's where the Gospel goes down.
It strikes me that street preaching and children's sermons go down the same wrong path!
Paragraph from next lecture:
The protestant reformers maintain that the root problem is Sin and it gives rise to sins. But be sure you know which is which, or you will never come to terms with the Gospel. Morality maintains that little "s" sins plural is the human predicament. The Gospel maintains that capital "S" Sin singular unbelief is the predicament.
This is the difference between David's understanding of repentance and Bill's/JD's.
D
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