so there is no way that this would
be the same concept Bill.
Why is that, Judy? Did "they" not create us in
"their" likeness? (cf. Gen 1.26).
Yes they did created the first Adam
in their nature and character spiritually - which "likeness"
Adam forfeited when he chose to go with Eve into disobedience by
eating the wrong fruit.
Thereafter all men (including us)
are born into this world by
procreation in the likeness of
the first Adam rather than the
likeness of God (Gen 5:3)
The only possible way to
regain the image of God lost by the first Adam is to become
conformed to the image of the
second Adam which is the sole purpose for His coming
and His willingness to lay down His
human life as a perfect sacrifice in our place.
Laying aside the fact that you are making much
too much of Seth having been born in the image
of Adam (see Gen 9.6 and answer for me what would
be wrong, then, with killing someone who
was no longer created in God's image, but
in Adam's),
At the beginnign they were created
in God's image and now Noah who found grace is starting
over even though it didn't take too
many generations for the whole of humanity (all but 8 ppl)
to be destroyed. I don't
believe God is interested in fellowshipping with a bunch of
devils.
Judy, I fail to understand why that should even
prevent Christ from being united in his person,
his humanness with his divinity.
I understand. It is mixture;
joining the holy with the profane which is something God hates.
The only thing which could have severed that
union was the one thing which he did not do:
sin. Hence in his person, he was able to undo
that which had indeed produced schizophrenia
in the relationship between humanity and God.
Tell me why he (Jesus) HAD to be
like US in every way? Why couldn't he have been like the
first Adam before the fall, the one
who was created? Jesus was not exactly procreated like
us since he had no human father so
that must mess up your thesis at least a little.
And were he not like us in every way, he could
not have produced this reconciliation; for what
he would have done in a flesh unlike our own
would have had no bearing upon human flesh,
and we would therefore still be in sin.
Bill
Not so; all he had to do was meet
God's conditions which apparently involved passing the
test that A&E failed and he did
that in the wilderness... right after his baptism.
so there is no way that this
would be the same concept Bill.
Why is that, Judy? Did "they" not create us
in "their" likeness? (cf. Gen 1.26).
Yes they did created the first
Adam in their nature and character spiritually - which "likeness"
Adam forfeited when
he chose to go with Eve into
disobedience by eating the wrong fruit.
Thereafter all men (including
us) are born into this world by procreation in the likeness of
the first Adam rather than the
likeness of God (Gen 5:3)
The only possible way to
regain the image of God lost by the first Adam is to
become
conformed to the image of the
second Adam which is the sole purpose for His coming
and His willingness to lay down
His human life as a perfect sacrifice in our place.
.
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 9:31
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Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love
and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOTDIVINE
OK - I'm asking Bill, what husband, and what
schism?
Oh, I thought you were married. The bible
says that you and your husband (if you had one) were to become "one"
flesh, in other words the two of you in coming together would be
united -- and not just physically, I might add; it is the marriage
"union" after all. The same is true with God. The bible teaches that
the Lord is "one" and it uses the same word when saying this; hence
there is a oneness or unity within the nature of God, a coming
together of a plurality in union.
God is a Spirit (Jn 4:24)
so there is no way that this would be the same concept Bill.
Sure the Godhead are One and united
in Spirit.
And so, since you suggested that if
Christ be fully God and fully human there must be a schism, I was just
wondering about the schism you have with your man. Why instead of
schism aren't you united?
In marriage between humans
it is "one flesh" Bill
There would only be a schism between the
two natures of Christ if there were disunity between the two.
The person of Christ had no disunity;
hence no schism. Bill
There would have been
disunity "big time" if he had a human nature - just like us and was in
fact wholly God ATST; schizophrenic
would be the right
term. Also "Flesh and blood DO NOT inherit God's Kingdom" Bill
so what would be the purpose??
OK - I'm asking Bill, what husband, and
what schism?
And while you're at it, will you
explain your schism with your husband, too?
(If this needs clarification, just
ask)
Bill
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Subject: Re: Fw:
[TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS
NOTDIVINE
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Sent: 1/14/2006 1:07:17
PM
Subject: Re: Fw:
[TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS
NOTDIVINE
Dean,
I think this is where "theology" gets
itself tied in knots. This is what JD has been accusing me of
for so long.
How ironic that his mentor Bill
would write something like this. I think Lance just
repeated it to qualify something.
So their Jesus must have a schism in his personality (or
nature). What about his saying to Philip "If you
have
seen me you have seen the Father" We know he
wasn't speaking of his physical body here; so does God
The Father also have a schismatic
personality.
cd: Judy can you define your usage of
'schismatic'.
Well, yes and no, DH.
I am included in that circle of love in the way that
Christ's humanity is included in that relationship. But as the humanity of Christ is not
divine, neither am I divine.
cd: Lance at this point- How do you
define "Divine"?
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