[TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

[Judy Taylor]

From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Likeness might mean like but not exactly like, but it also might mean so much like it as to be indistinguishable.  When we say that Jesus is the image of Father, or that he is like the Father, so much so that when you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father, it might be inappropriate to say that Jesus is like the Father, but not exactly like him.  Do you see it differently, Judy?  David Miller.   I don't know ....  When He walked the earth as a man He was not the Father because He prayed to the Father and when He said these words to Philip ie: "If you have seen me you have seen the Father" (John 14:9) I believe He is referring to the ministry rather than to Himself personally because everything He said and did (both works and words) he had first seen the Father saying and doing which he explains further in John 14:10 and John 5:19.     ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 11:17 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE     Only a similitude or likeness even "in every way" is not the exact same thing JD.   On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:12:30 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you had responded by saying that the man Jesus did not have a human mind, or a human spirit, or a human soul, then I would have had to disagree; for then he would not have been like us in every way (cf. Heb 2.17).   Like us is "similitude" Bill - it does not mean exactly the "same as"  Every human being born by procreation into this fallen world is also fallen.  There is none righteous and none that does good .... EXCEPT ONE.     Judy argues "like us" in total disregard of the additional phrase  "IN EVERY WAY"     -------------- Original message -------------- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>       On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:16:00 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I was just wanting to better understand what you were wanting me to agree with in your statement: we agree if you view the Human part to also have divine thoughts. Having read your response I am comfortable that we can agree. The word "preoccupied" has a ring to it with which I am not completely satisfied, but I believe the man Jesus was preoccupied with doing the will of his heavenly Father; hence his thought-life was fully intuned to the divine.   If you had responded by saying that the man Jesus did not have a human mind, or a human spirit, or a human soul, then I would have had to disagree; for then he would not have been like us in every way (cf. Heb 2.17).   Like us is "similitude" Bill - it does not mean exactly the "same as"  Every human being born by procreation into this fallen world is also fallen.  There is none righteous and none that does good .... EXCEPT ONE.   And, while I understood what you were saying, I also hesitate to speak of the person of Christ in terms of "parts": if he is fully human and fully divine, then he is not partly one and partly the other. Anyway, I knew what you meant and could thus look through it.   Thanks,   Bill     ----- Original Message ----- From: Dean Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: Taylor   So that I know for sure what you mean to convey, let me ask you: do you as a human have "divine thoughts"?   Bill cd: Yes to a limited degree-but I cannot hold the perspective that Christ is limited in His divine thinking.I realize that the flesh would influence one thinking to my limited 'divine 'thoughts but with Christ who walked according to the Spirit I see no limitations. Nor do I admit there has to be such weakness in us as we also have the Spirit-We simply are not willing to pray and fast and abstain from things as one should to weaken this flesh and hence allow more diviness to control us. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dean Moore   cd: Yes we agree if you view the Human part to also have divine thoughts. ----- Original Message ----- From: Taylor   If I understand you correctly, Dean, you believe that Christ while walking this earth was fully God. I DO TOO. And if I understand you correctly, you also believe that Christ while on this earth was fully human. I DO TOO.   Bill   ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org   If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.