cd: David I understood you to support B.Hinn-Is your Mother still part of His choir?
> [Original Message] > From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 1/16/2006 2:28:52 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language" > > Dean wrote: > > Should have left B. Hinn out of It. > > Did you notice how he called him another inspired teacher/evangelist? I > would never describe him that way, and I don't personally know anyone who > would. > > David Miller. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 8:22 AM > Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language" > > > [Original Message] > > From: Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Date: 1/16/2006 5:36:40 AM > > Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language" > > > > Benny Hinn, another 'inspired' teacher/evangelist, once said that each of > > the Father, Son and Spirit was a trinity and thus, nine Gods. He also > finds > > himself clever in the questions he puts forward to his hearers. > > cd: Now you have gone and done it Lance :-) Should have left B. Hinn out of > It. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: January 15, 2006 23:10 > > Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language" > > > > > > > The problem with the word "Trinity" is that it assume Three. What do > you > > > do > > > with texts that speak about the Seven Spirits of God? > > > > > > David Miller. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > To: [email protected] ; [email protected] > > > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:57 PM > > > Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language" > > > > > > > > > I do not agree. "Trinity" is as much a translation of the concept of > > > "divine essence" as is "godhead" but for theological and contextual > > > reasons. Call it philosophy if you will. The inclusion of "trinity" > is a > > > sound choice if it , in fact, arises from a point of truth. > Equivalency > > > is a word that figures into my discussion. I am sure you understand the > > > implication. > > > > > > jd > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >> The word "Trinity" is not a translation, nor is it a transliteration. > It > > >> is > > >> a word of philosophers, a word constructed by theologians, and it is a > > >> philosophically loaded word. The various words of the Greek language > that > > >> have been translated "Godhead" have at their root the word "theos," and > > >> therefore, "Godhead" is an appropriate translation whereas "Trinity" is > > >> not. > > >> The root for "three" is not found in the Greek language for this word. > > >> > > >> David Miller > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> To: [email protected] ; [email protected] > > >> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:08 PM > > >> Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language" > > >> > > >> > > >> Your response has nothing to do with my comments, near as I can see. > > >> My point is this: every English word in our bible is "added " to the > > >> original text. so you like godhead" and I like "trinity." They are both > > >> translations of the orgiinal word and/or thought. > > >> > > >> jd > > >> > > >> -------------- Original message -------------- > > >> From: Judy Taylor > > >> > > >> Here we go again - And who is the one who denied staking everything on > > >> translational and Gk > > >> arguments - very, very, recently?. judyt > > >> > > >> On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:54:47 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >> > > >> Here is an approximation of the [NT] biblical language" > > >> > > >> gar nomoz tou pneumatoz thz swhzev Cristy > > >> > > >> All other words [in [English] translation] are "non-biblical." > > >> "Incarnate" is no less a "biblical word" than "in the flesh" -- nor > > >> "trinity " in the place of "Godhead." > > >> > > >> Our translations are copies of the original tex t (as best as we can > > >> reconstruct that text) . The Latin Vulgate has the same place in > biblical > > >> history in terms of type and quality as does the more literal of the > > >> English > > >> translations. > > >> > > >> To argue without end over "Godhead" verses "Trinity" is argue about > > >> nothing. I have just as much authority to read "trinity" as someone has > > >> to read "godhead" or "divine nature." > > >> > > >> jd > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -------------- Original message -------------- > > >> From: "Lance Muir" > > >> > > >> On employing 'non-biblical' terminology when speaking of WHO Jesus is: > > >> Insofar as the language one chooses accurately reflects the subject > under > > >> discussion it may be viewed as legitimate, helpful and, even necessary. > > >> > > >> May I ask that anyone responding to the above take the time to outline > > >> their > > >> own position on this. > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: Judy Taylor > > >> To: [email protected] > > >> Cc: [email protected] > > >> Sent: January 14, 2006 08:53 > > >> Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS > > >> NOT > > >> DIVINE > > >> > > >> > > >> I don't know about all that Lance. What exact part of him are you > calling > > >> "his humanity" Is it the body or the soul? > > >> Also what exactly is a "trinitarian nature?" These are brand new terms > > >> someone has come up with. Could this > > >> be called "adding to the Word of Truth?" > > >> > > >> On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:39:32 -0500 "Lance Muir" > > >> writes: > > >> Judy, rightly IMO, has oft spoken of the disconnect that may take place > > >> between theologizing and godliness. Conversely, as illustrated in this > > >> post > > >> by Bill, a more thoroughgoing teaching, along with the apprehension, of > > >> the > > >> Trinitarian Nature of God ought to issue in that which Jt speaks of. > > >> (i.e. > > >> godliness) > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Messag e ----- > > >> From: Taylor > > >> To: [email protected] > > >> Sent: January 14, 2006 07:18 > > >> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] love and trinity > > >> > > >> > > >> BillT wrote: The oneness of God is therefore not a number nearly so > much > > >> as > > >> it is a unity: the unifying > > >> love of God in koinonia -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. > > >> > > >> > > >> DAVEH responds: Any room for individuals in that equation?..........The > > >> oneness of God is therefore........Father, Son, Holy Spirit & Bill. > > >> > > >> Well, yes and no, DH. I am included in that circle of love in the way > > >> that > > >> Christ's humanity is included in that relationship. But as the > humanity > > >> of > > >> Christ is not divine, neither am I divine. What I am is included in the > > >> humanity of the divine Christ and thus included in the eternal > fellowship > > >> and community of the Son with the Father in the Holy Spirit. And > because > > >> of > > >> the inseparable union of the person of Christ, his humanity with h is > > >> divinity, I will forever be included in the loving union of the > Trinity, > > >> the > > >> oneness of God. > > >> > > >> Good question, though, > > >> > > >> Bill > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: Dave Hansen > > >> To: [email protected] > > >> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:41 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] love and trinity > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> .........Does that work in your theological paradigm? > > >> > > >> Taylor wrote: > > >> Moreover, John, if God is love and God is also a singularity, like many > > >> people think of "one" in the statement "God is one," then the greatest > > >> human > > >> expression of that love would be narcissism: extreme self love; for > that > > >> would be to exemplify the love of God. Instead, God is "one" -- and has > > >> been > > >> from eternity -- precisely because of the other-centered love which > > >> exists > > >> between the Father for the Son and the Son for the Father in the Holy > > >> Spirit. The oneness of God is th erefore not a number nearly so much > as > > >> it > > >> is > > >> a unity: the unifying > > >> love of God in koinonia -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. > > >> > > >> Good insight, Dude, I mean Bish; you're on a roll. > > >> > > >> Bill > > >> -- > > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > >> Dave Hansen > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> http://www.langlitz.com > > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > >> If you wish to receive > > >> things I find interesting, > > >> I maintain six email lists... > > >> JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, > > >> STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> This message has been scanned for viruses and > > >> dangerous content by Plains.Net, and is > > >> believed to be clean. > > >> > > >> ---------- > > >> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > > >> know how > > >> you ought to answer every man." 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