Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

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My first post  "disappeared."    Maybe my computer sent the dern thing.  I will try it again. 

 

Was He sick?  Certainly.  He was human in every respect as we.  Generational curses  ---------  do not apply to anyone you know in the sense that they speck of original sin.  "Oppressed by demons"    ---------   neither were any of the apostles and no one that I personally know.  Depressed?  Well, he cried over Jerusalem, so  "yes."  Angry?  See the Temple and the money changers.   Loss of patience  (to some degree) ?  Absolutely  (the account of the feeding of the 5000  and then the 4000 and then the apostles concern about lunch !!  Mistaken in some of His opinions?  certainly  -  see the wedding feast and His decision not to turn water into wine.                                       He had to learn the wa ys of life (Acts 2:28) .  His humanity is just like ours.  But , of course,  you don't believe that He was human or God while on this earth. 

 

Look  --  there is simply no rational path to the understanding of Jesus Christ  or any other aspect of the Living God.   All we know is what we read in the papers   (read:  Bible).  If the question is not asked and answered in those pages,  we cannot be fully convinced of any of  our conclusions.  

 

Church history can and should play a role in all this  --  but for some, it is not allowed.  

 

jd

 

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On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:46:10 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

cd: Jd would you say Christ was the same as common man?

 

It's Bill, but I would say that Christ's human nature was the same as common man -- or statements like

"he learned obedience from the things he suffered" would be meaningless, or at least irrelevant to us in our state.

 

What things do you know that He suffered that are relevant to our state Bill?  Do you know that he

was ever sick or infirm because of generational curses?  Oppressed by demons. Depressed?

 

It was his divine nature that was great, Dean, and in that he was unlike us, as we do not have a divine nature,

 

Anyone who has been born of the Spirit is well on the road to becoming a partaker of the divine

nature Bill see 2 Pet 1:14, 2 Cor 3:18, Heb 12:10.

 

but at no time did his divinity overwhelm his humanity; instead it came alongside and worked in unison with his

human nature, producing obedience rather than sin.  Bill

From: Dean Moore

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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

Luke writes that Jesus was born of the fruit of David's genitals (Act 2.30): hence he was not some kind of new humanity, freshly brewed with new material, unrelated to fallen humankind; No, he is human like David was human, born on our side of the fall.

 

And to the naysayers Jesus said, "Before Abraham was, I AM"; hence Jesus pre-dated even Abraham, David' predecessor. But it was not his humanity which pre-dated David; it was his divinity. And notice: he did not say that his Father was the I AM, and that he was copying him. No, Jesus said that he (and this before his glorification) is I AM; that is, Yahweh, the LORD who covenants with Abraham. 

 

Jesus is FULLY GOD and fully man, two realities in one person, united -- but make him anything less than God or anything more than man and you are courting a demon, who is powerless to save you.

 

Bill 

cd: Jd would you say Christ was the same as common man?

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