Hello, David. My comments below .....
I don't disagree with your understanding that the root of temptation is
found in the lust of our flesh, but the forcefulness of that flesh to move
us in a certain direction is not the same in all people now, and it was not
the same in Adam & Eve before the fall as it was afterward. How does James 1:13-15 fit in with what you are saying here and elsewhere in this post?
found in the lust of our flesh, but the forcefulness of that flesh to move
us in a certain direction is not the same in all people now, and it was not
the same in Adam & Eve before the fall as it was afterward. How does James 1:13-15 fit in with what you are saying here and elsewhere in this post?
There was an
awakening within them toward knowledge of evil, and that had repurcussions
within them. Therefore, punishment ensued and a protection of the tree of
life and many other issues which I cannot now speak. Suffice it to say at
this time that from my perspective, Adam & Eve were similar to the angels of
heaven in regards to their innocence and naivety. Well, before they knowlingly sinned, their innocence and naivety could be compared to anyone who is likewise thought of as innocent and naive. Such does not mean that they did not have a human nature fully capable of sin - as is [also] the case with angels.
awakening within them toward knowledge of evil, and that had repurcussions
within them. Therefore, punishment ensued and a protection of the tree of
life and many other issues which I cannot now speak. Suffice it to say at
this time that from my perspective, Adam & Eve were similar to the angels of
heaven in regards to their innocence and naivety. Well, before they knowlingly sinned, their innocence and naivety could be compared to anyone who is likewise thought of as innocent and naive. Such does not mean that they did not have a human nature fully capable of sin - as is [also] the case with angels.
They did not walk in the
experience of what Romans 7 describes as our experience when confronted with
a commandment of God.
experience of what Romans 7 describes as our experience when confronted with
a commandment of God.
Do you have a reason other than speculative for the above statement?
It took further enticement in their case, which
worked with the desires of their flesh (the fruit of the tree looked like
good food to eat), yes, but this alone does not come to the level of a "sin
nature."
worked with the desires of their flesh (the fruit of the tree looked like
good food to eat), yes, but this alone does not come to the level of a "sin
nature."
Soo, a sin nature is the result of the practice of sin? Children are not born with this sin nature? Rather, it is the result of patterned activty and genetic evolutionary influenses?
Satan has a sin nature too, but this nature of his was not created
within him in the beginning. It was the defiling effects of sinful action
which has caused his sin nature within him. Now please do not think that I
am Pelagian in my viewpoint. I'm not.
within him in the beginning. It was the defiling effects of sinful action
which has caused his sin nature within him. Now please do not think that I
am Pelagian in my viewpoint. I'm not.
No worry on this point.
I believe that man is born in a
state of physical depravity, but in that physical depravity is related to
how men choose to act, I believe that this physical depravity also
corresponds with man being in a state of moral depravity.
state of physical depravity, but in that physical depravity is related to
how men choose to act, I believe that this physical depravity also
corresponds with man being in a state of moral depravity.
Is man born morally and "physically (whatever you mean by this) depraved but without a sin nature -- when such is developed as a result of the practice of sin and its accumulative effect on man? And do you see why I would think this to be highly speculative?
In this manner,
the articulation of my viewpoint is different from that of Charles Finney,
but I believe his message was right and needed to be heard at the time it
was given. Yeah, you, Finney and Jonathan Edwards. Not the trifecta of grace ministries!!
David Miller.
the articulation of my viewpoint is different from that of Charles Finney,
but I believe his message was right and needed to be heard at the time it
was given. Yeah, you, Finney and Jonathan Edwards. Not the trifecta of grace ministries!!
David Miller.
