> [Original Message]
> From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Date: 1/31/2006 1:11:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Free Speech
>
> cd:
> > I disagree David-why seek Hinn for the healing
> > and not Christ.
>
> They are not seeking Hinn instead of Christ. They are seeking Christ.
God
> gives different gifts to different people. Some have gifts of healings.
I
> have been to five of Kathryn Kuhlman's meetings, and I believe that she
was
> a handmaiden of the Lord used in healing. I have never been to a Benny
Hinn
> meeting, so I know nothing about him. I can tell you that I have been to
a
> faith healing meeting before where I believed the man was a fraud. He
had
> three television cameras on him and the Curtis Hixon auditorium in Tampa
> filled with people when I went up on the stage during his meeting and
told
> him that he was not of God. If the Lord ever does lead me to a Benny
Hinn
> meeting and I perceive him to be a fraud, you can expect to see me up on
> stage rebuking HIM, not standing out on the sidewalk rebuking the people
> going in.
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cd:I don't know anything about Kathryn and I believe healing is good. Hope
more people get involved but not people like Hinn.If one is seeking Christ
then Hinn is not the right direction. Are the preachers rebuking the people
going to these events or telling them about a fraud?
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>
> >
>
> If I ever meet the man and see works of his that deserve rebuke, and the
> Lord gives me the freedom to rebuke, I'm sure I will. Until then, I will
> not speak to that which I do not know about. I am aware of good reports
> coming from his ministry. You apparently rely on the medium of glorified
> gossip for your information. That is not wise. I assume that you have
> never met this man who you condemn and speak evil of.
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cd: My information comes from men of God many respected street preachers
and now Dave Hunt- David- not glorified news papers-I also have wintriness
the wrong they do in reporting the story.
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>
> cd:
> > Because I believe they are being mislead
> > into sin David-strange fires.
>
> Do you KNOW this or do you simply strongly suspect this? Are you healing
> those who are coming, or are you simply robbing them of faith in Jesus
> Christ for healing?
cd: If there is any healing done I would not be doing it- God
would.Speaking the truth is not robbing anyone-lying is.
>
> Cd wrote:
> > If you have seem no wrong in Kevin in those
> > extreme situations-what makes you think something
> > would be wrong with the Spirit leading him to Hinn to
> > preach?
>
> There are many factors that can cause someone to make a mistake in
judgment.
> In any case, this would be best followed up by me talking with Kevin. My
> concern is only for the sick who seek healing. I care for the sick, and
I
> do not think believers should ever do anything that hinders a person's
> faith. These Street Preachers did the same thing with one of their own,
> Willy, who had esophogeal cancer. He wanted to believe God for healing,
and
> these doubting Street Preachers discouraged him and robbed his faith from
> him. Willy died. Shame on those Street Preachers who would not agree
with
> him in prayer for his healing, but instead chose to rebuke him. Shame on
> those Street Preachers who doubt the God who heals.
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cd: I knew Willie well and miss him-he had a gentle nature.But he should
not have let anyone give him doubts-and not all sickness gets healed as
Paul and Timothy both demonstrated. God allow some things for His own
reasons.
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>
> cd wrote:
> > Be wise and don't rebuke the brethren for
> > doing what the Spirit directs.
>
> Not one Street Preacher has ever told me that the SPIRIT directed them to
> protest a Benny Hinn service. Not one.
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cd: How many have you asked? When you speak to Kevin for the follow up ask
him this question?
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>
> cd:
> > Try it from my prospective David- I invite members on
> > this site who have spoken out on street preaching to go
> > to New Orleans and see first hand what we do-and the
> > next ting I know you are condemning the works of street
> > preachers. What position do you put me in doing so?
> > Having to defend?
>
> Only if you are sectarian. Street Preachers are not some elite club of
> super Christians. As a group, they are just like every other believer
> serving the Lord. Some are holy and perfect. Some struggle with sin.
Some
> are profane. Some are reprobate and are going to be burning in the lake
of
> fire.
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cd: True but most I know are good people-the cursing you spoke is only a
very few older nuts who won't listen but I suspect Satan sends his into our
group too.
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>
> cd wrote:
> > Have you not noticed after all these years our "discussion"
> > become heated when I feel that the brethren need defended
> > or protected.
>
> Yes. As I told you years ago, you have not broken free of a religious
> spirit which divides into sects. The Baptists don't have it all right.
The
> Wesleyans don't have it all right. The Mormons don't have it all right.
> The Presbyterians don't have it all right. The Street Preachers don't
have
> it all right. No religious sect has it all right. The only one who is
> right is Jesus, and we should reprove, rebuke, and exhort one another
until
> we are all found complete in Him.
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cd: I don't think I agree with this but I will think upon it. Good to see
you memory returning:-)
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>
> cd wrote:
> > How about teaching against Calvinism to warn
> > of danger-I had to defend against you until the
> > water got muddy?
>
> Huh? I don't know what you are talking about.
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cd: Oops spoke too soon -it's gone again.
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>
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> cd wrote:
> > By the way you have spoken against the preaching
> > at SLC-that is why the brethren didn't want you
> > to come with us and why you got angry and left
> > pal-talk in the middle of the discussion concerning
> > Mormons-same as slamming the door and walking
> > out. How old are you anyway that you would not
> > remember this event from two years ago?
>
> I'm starting to think you might have had a mole in some paltalk meeting
> pretending to be me. I have never walked out on a discussion mad,
slamming
> the door so-to-speak. I have no recollection speaking against the
preaching
> at SLC. I have defended it many times here. I asked a question once of
> Ruben here about the underwear waving, and he answered it. I really have
no
> idea what you are talking about, but your words here tell me that some of
> you Street Preachers have been engaging in gossip behind my back,
speaking
> evil of me, and none of you have been man enough to tell me directly that
> you do not want me to come to SLC. It doesn't matter anyway, because I
go
> where the Lord leads me to go, and if the Lord wants me there, I will be
> there whether you want me there or not.
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cd: Wow David? We-you and I -spoke of this-nothing was done behind you back
as you know I am up front on matters.You ,Kevin, Ruben, and I debated this
in voice on Paltalk. Glad to hear no one would have stopped you-I like that.
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>
> cd:
> > We also preach the gospel only to be attacked
> > by all to which one should expect-but to be attacked
> > by other street preachers is hard to take David-you
> > are wrong to do so and your church teaching have lead
> > you into this area-the same as Debbies has done to her-
> > no difference- and she probably won't listen either.
> > In my opinion you are as mistaken as they are.
>
> I have not attacked anyone. You are the one making a schism over this
> issue. I do not believe that Christians should gather outside Benny Hinn
> meetings or Promise Keepers meetings warning people who are coming not to
go
> inside. If you want to minister, fine, I have no problem with that, but
if
> you do not have the gifts of healings to heal those coming to a Benny
Hinn
> meeting, then you are out of your league.How long did your father stay
healed?
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cd: You assume all men heal what about the others gifts?
Is the hand greater than the foot? How long did your father stay healed
after Hinn?Did those ailments have anything to do with his death which I
was sorry to hear about?
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>
> Look at it this way: If I know a man is preaching a false gospel and I
warn
> others not to listen to his false gospel, then I had better be prepared
to
> give the true gospel in its place. If I know a man to be teaching
falsely,
> then I had better be prepared to give the true teaching if I am going to
> tell others he is a false teacher. In like manner, if I want to say that
> Benny Hinn is a fraud in ministering the gifts of healings, and I am
going
> to his meeting to deter people from attending, then I had better be
prepared
> to heal these people with the true gift of God. This is called being
> responsible.
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cd: How about the healing of the soul-by His stripe we are healed. Not
having the gift of healing doesn't disqualify someone from preaching Christ.
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>
> Now what "church teaching" are you talking about that has led me into the
> same error as Debbie?
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cd: Debbie has spoken against st.preachers-and you told her that was due to
the teaching from her church-I am saying the same to you David.You Church
taught focus on healing is clouding the wrong Hinn is doing.
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>
> David Miller.
>
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