cd: Davh I make decisions
in life due to past experience-as such I will not change a statement
until the past belief is change to be something other than what I
thought it was, having said that- my statement remains till I have
other knowledge. If you do not now support the right to harm other over
words then I commend you-but sin cannot be laid at my door until
something other that what I said is presented-If I find myself to be in
the wrong I will of course apologize-but do not believe I am at this
time in the wrong with my statement.
DAVEH: Then it appears that your comment to me a few days ago was
meaningless....
If you DavH fear that as moderator I will treat you unfair-I
assure you that I will bend over backwards to give you fairness-with
much patience, but I will not tolerat e sin or other forms of
wrongness- as mentioned above.
.........and hollow. It seems to me that one who falsely accuses and
then refuses to present the evidence is not tolerating sin, but rather
committing sin. Where is the fairness in that, Dean?
Dean Moore wrote:
-----
Original Message -----
Sent:
2/5/2006 1:22:54 PM
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] the FWs about free speech thingy
I know you supported
fighting words DavH-go and see for yourself.You have often spoken of a
failing memory now you are certain I am lying about a event that
happened appx. 2 yrs ago?Are you so sure?Beside I do not know how to
use the archives and the last time I attempted to do so failed-so if
you want to prove me wrong you are the one who will have to do so.
DAVEH: While my memory may be weak, I pretty much know what I
believe. I don't support somebody becoming violent over words. What
I might have said, and which you may have misunderstood is that I can
understand why someone my be pushed over the edge into violence by
another's words. Dean, there is a huge difference between
understanding such, and supporting such. For you to insist I supported
such is simply a lie.
I've told you before that I have not suppo
rted this right to harm others
, and I'm telling you now that I don't support violence over words. I
can state such because it simply is not a position I've ever believed
in taking. There is no way I can prove it to you (when I've never said
it), but I've certainly explained my believe about such now. For you
to insist that I do support violence over words is an outright lie, and
is easy for you to prove if I said such. It is impossible to prove
otherwise if I didn't say such. Dean, you have the easy out on
this....knowing what I believe (from my above comments), just say that
you must have misunderstood what you previously read and that you now
apologize for making an erroneous statement that mischaracterizes what
I've said in the past and what I believe about this matter. Failure to
either present the proof or apologize for lying about what I said
constitutes a sin, does it not Dean?
cd: Davh I make
decisions in life due to past experience-as such I will not change a
statement until the past belief is change to be something other than
what I thought it was, having said that- my statement remains till I
have other knowledge. If you do not now support the right to harm other
over words then I commend you-but sin cannot be laid at my door until
something other that what I said is presented-If I find myself to be in
the wrong I will of course apologize-but do not believe I am at this
time in the wrong with my statement.
Dean Moore wrote:
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 2/4/2006 1:31:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] the FWs about free speech
thingy
If you cannot find such, then I will apologize to you.
DAVEH: Yikes........Did I really write that (yes).......I need to
reread stuff before I post it! What I meant to say Dean, is that it is
YOU who should apologize to me IF you cannot find evidence of me saying
to the effect that I supported this right to
harm others.
I don't have the time nor the
inclination to do so
DAVEH: OK Dean......To make this simple for you, let me state FTR that
I have never said that I supported this
right to harm others. For you to make that claim
is another false accusation, and you should apologize for making it.
Failing that, your comment that I assure you that I will bend
over backwards to give you fairness is me rely empty words
that once again represents another lie, as you apparently have no
intention of being fair.
balls in your court play it or drop
it your choice:-)
FWIW.....I find it very interesting (if not telling) that you
simply make stuff up, and then stubbornly stick to it with no concern
for it's impact if it is erroneous. As I've stated before, it is easy
to prove what I've said by merely quoting my previously posted words.
However, it is impossible to prove a negative, so I have no way to post
the words I didn't say. So no, Dean....the ball is NOT in my court.
The ball is in the court of the person making the false
accusation.....in this case, YOU! You made the claim, and the onus is
upon you to prove it or apologize. Let me give you some advice,
Dean......You'd be smart in this case to swallow your pride and
apologize for making the false accusation. Tenaciously holding to a
lie speaks volume s about a guy who claims to be fair.
; Think about the logic of it, Dean. Here you are in TruthTalk,
purporting to be fair (presumably as a moderator, though you
did not specifically say such) AND a Christian making up a bold faced
lie about somebody (me) that you are trying to convince that Mormonism
is a lie, and then you have the audacity to say.........
cd: I know you
supported fighting words DavH-go and see for yourself.You have often
spoken of a failing memory now you are certain I am lying about a event
that happened appx. 2 yrs ago?Are you so sure?Beside I do not know how
to use the archives and the last time I attempted to do so failed-so if
you want to prove me wrong you are the one who will have to do so.Some
time prior to Ivan- around 17 mths ago should do-now excuse my
granddaughter is crying.
If you think I am going to search archive for
you -you are mistaken.
..............implying you are too arrogantly righteous to need to
prove your own words. Then you simply think you can put the burden of
proof.......
if you want to prove your innocence
...........on the accused! Is that really how you want TTers to view
your self perceived image of fairness, Dean?? ?
Dean Moore wrote:
DAVEH: You have only been a moderator one day, Dean........and already
you are posting lies. If you will post my comments that suggest that I
supported this right to harm others,
then I will apologize to you. If you cannot find such, then I
will apologize to you. Until then, it is obvious to me that
you are making stuff up to cast me in a dim light and diminish what I
have truly said.
DAVEH: OK........Then I will expect you to not falsely accuse without
evidence to support you accusation.
cd: If you think I am going to search
archive for you -you are mistaken.I don't have the time nor the
inclination to do so now-but if you want to prove your
innocence then use these keywords-"DaveH" and "Fighting words"-
search a couple of years back should bring results-balls in your
court play it or drop it your choice:-)
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