it does illustrate how God might accept a person even if the
signature did not get down on paper (they were never baptized).
DAVEH: As you know, it is my opinion that baptism is necessary for
salvation, as evidenced by Mk 16:16 and Jn 3:5. I believe God may
not accept a person (they were never baptized), as may
be evidenced by Mt 7:21.......which suggests God may not be as
accepting as some Christians think. But we've covered that ground
before....so, no need to continue this thread further. Thanx for your
comments to this point, DavidM.
David Miller wrote:
The problem with oral contracts is proving them. A will in
particular is difficult because the person is dead. If an oral
contract can be established, it is considered binding.
With God, both parties know their agreement. This does not mean
that nobody needs to sign the contract so-to-speak (be baptized), but
it does illustrate how God might accept a person even if the signature
did not get down on paper (they were never baptized).
David Miller.
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Re: [TruthTalk] Question Regarding Covenants & Salvation
Note that law allows for contracts to be enforceable even without a signature if
it is clear that an agreement was made orally as per the things stated in
the contract.
DAVEH: That is not necessarily true, DavidM. Real estate contracts
are a real world exception. And I suspect that wills are probated
without contradicting the recorded documents, despite any subsequent
verbal changes that are claimed.
David Miller wrote:
DaveH wrote:
Do you feel that the OT sacrificial rites were
similarly related....that is, were signs of a
covenant? If so, why do you think they needed
to be replicated?
No, I view the sacrificial rites of the Sinai covenant were not signs of the
covenant, but rather elements of the covenant which illustrated the need for
atonement for sin. When I mentioned previously that sacrifices were
sometimes used to cut a covenant, I did not have these sacrifices in mind,
but rather the example of Abraham cutting the covenant with God. This was
culturally practiced then. Sometimes salt was used.
I see baptism and circumcision similar to the signing of a contract. Note
that law allows for contracts to be enforceable even without a signature if
it is clear that an agreement was made orally as per the things stated in
the contract. However, a signature makes it very clear as to the agreement
between the parties involved.
The OT sacrificial rites were not like the signing of the contract, but
rather responsibilities expected of the party who has entered into the
agreement. At least that's how I look at it. :-)
David Miller.
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