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Lance, Dean's prayer for more patience is not
any point for your perspective. Asking for MORE patience implies that he
has patience, not that he has no patience. He is simply realizing the
usefulness of having more patience.
We all grow in virtues, and as we do, God
allows us to be tested greater, that our faith might be purified. Such
growth does not mean that we will always sin. On the contrary, growth
means that we are not sinning, that we have passed the test and are moving
on. Those who continue to sin keep on taking the same test over and over
again, and any spiritual growth that they think they have is only an
illusion. True growth requires walking in holiness.
David Miller.
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 10:06
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting
observation
I'm fully aware that a case can made for that
which you, DM, Iz and, Judy, in differing fashions, claim to have achieved in
your lives, Dean. IFO believe this "case" to be abstracted from the
realities of life...even/especially..the life of any believer. Your concluding
comment concerning 'patience' makes my point for me.
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Sent: February 04, 2006 09:30
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw:
Interesting observation
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Sent: 2/4/2006 9:06:57 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw:
Interesting observation
Respectfully and, may it please the
court...maturation this side of ...eschatological
consummation...amen! Sinlessness this side of eschatological
consummation..DANGER WILL SMITH (if you 'google' this phrase you'll see
'heretical ideals...appropriately-
cd: Lance 1 John 2-12-17 Deals with three levels of
Christian maturely and the last two mentioned overcoming the wicked
one-which means not listening to the one who would lead us into sin-post
salvation.. I would put if up but don't feel anyone would even read it
much lees seek to understand it. So I will simply moderate for a while as
my impatience seems to be getting the better of me-May God bless you and
give me more patience.
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Sent: February 04, 2006 08:54
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw:
Interesting observation
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Sent: 2/4/2006 7:52:49 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw:
Interesting observation
Another thing ................. this argument "God
will not ask of us what we cannot do" is something you need to
rethink.
Have you never said "Come on , walk to Daddy" ?? Have you never
received instruction (Dean, do this and then do that) that you
could not [at first] do?
to imagine that we can be perfect AS GOD IS
-- well, that is to miss the point of goals and the
process of maturity. Further, if God told us
nothing that we cannot (or will not) do, there is no need
for sin offering other than what exists in the Old Law.
cd: The need for the sin offerings wasn't because the people
could not do as instructed-it is a way of removing the quarrel we had
with God by the sin- which is mingled with innocent blood that God
loves to make the offering more pleasing. We can keep from sin John as
we are not renewed in weakness by in power.If we couldn't do so there
wouldn't be any punishment for that sin. The would be not need to put
off the old man which is sin-that is who the old man is John-sin. He
is a very ugly demon following us around tugging at you arm to
draw you away and the only way to leave God is to prefer sin more than
God.You are overlook a whole lot of scripture to cling to
error-respectfully- so for now keep you error for in it is weakness as
you seem to love it so much John-the shame is you- as a Pastor -are
teaching this to others and will not receive correction in this
area-which produces weak Christians-who will never understand why if
is important to keep from sin... Know that we adjust our understanding
to the work of now not t he other way around Bro. May God bless you as
I feel I have gone as far as the Spirit would have me go in this area
for now-my prayers are for you John.
jd
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Sent: 2/3/2006 12:02:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw:
Interesting observation
Soooo, the moment of "conversion" presents one with the full
ability to be sinless?
Please tell me you are kidding!!
cd: Christ must have thought so as He clearly states go and
sin no more.Again why would God/Lord instruct us to do something
that was impossible to do-and tells them what will happen if they
do so.Respectfully John this is illogical as you are clearly
saying that there is no difference between the lost and the
saved.
Joh 5:14
Afterward3326, 5023
Jesus2424
findeth2147
him846 in1722 the3588 temple,2411 and2532 said2036 unto him,846 Behold,2396
thou art made1096
whole:5199 sin264 no more,3
371 lest3363 a worse5501 thing5100
come1096 unto thee.4671
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From: "Dean Moore"
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cd; To stay in perversion John will change the
chemistry of the body in time but all men are born equal.Naive?
I wish I had remained so on some things sir.
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Sent: 2/3/2006 9:01:12 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Fw: Interesting observation
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Sent: 2/2/2006
10:02:36 PM
Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation
Your choice of a racial slur for comparison
causes me concern that you have perhaps been deceived into
thinking that homosexuality is a racial issue, and that
homosexuals are born the way the are. Do you think
homosexuals need special protection from
prejudice just as other minority ethnic
groups would? Are you in agreement with the
legalization of homosexuality and
adultery? DM
Well, if we are going to keep them from having jobs ;
if we are going to kill them or put them at the back of
the bus, my answer is "yes."
Homosexuality IMO is the far end of the scale
we call promiscuity. At the same time, I
do believe (in fact, I know ) some are born gender
"confused."
cd; Sin is a choice.God doesn't make mistakes
as in-Oops I meant that one to be a women and
accidently gave him a male organ but I will send
him IT anyway-then they can have conflict
over my word and they can fight it
out while I sit back on my throne and laugh
at those dumb fools. I don't think so
John:-)
jd
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From: "Lance Muir"
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David:
It was your predecessors
that lynched the aforementioned. It was your
predecessors that barred the aforementioned entry to
churches. It was your predecessors who generated the
plantation mentality still imbued in the aforementioned.
It was your predecessors, the celebrated founding
fathers, who helped form the bigotry that still
characterizes your nation of 'believers'. Do consider
the larger context within which that which you do is
seen by those you seek to 'help',
David..........
Sent: February
02, 2006 09:32
Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation
JD wrote:
> Sodomite is a name we call people just
> as "nigger" is a word that
offends.
I don't see it that way, John. Sodomite is
a Biblical word, and it points to a particular
sexual practice. Furthermore, it reminds the
hearer of the Biblical city which brought upon
them God's judgment for accepting and engaging this
kind of sexual behavior. The homosexual agenda
has hijacked the English language by adopting the word
"Gay" for themselves. If they can incorrectly
use the word gay, then I can correctly use the word
sodomite to remind people exactly what we are talking
about.
Nevertheless, I ought to make it clear to you
that I rarely use the word "sodomite." In
fact, I suspect that it is possible that I may have
never used the word sodomite, but I could be wrong
about that. I usually talk about the evil
of sodomy, and I often talk about the University's
Official Department of Sodomy or State Sanctioned
Sodomy or Government Funding for the Promotion of
Sodomy and Fornication.
Your choice of a racial slur for comparison
causes me concern that you have perhaps been deceived
into thinking that homosexuality is a racial issue,
and that homosexuals are born the way the are.
Do you think homosexuals need special protection from
prejudice just as other minority ethnic
groups would? Are you in agreement with the
legalization of homosexuality and adultery?
David
Miller.
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