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Sent: February 26, 2006
09:20
Subject: [TruthTalk] Continuing
repentance
Thank you Dean, I see this also and can not
for the life of me understand why some hold these men in
such
reverence. Luther once complained about
the "pagan wretch" Aristotle whose words ppl were paying
more
attention to than the Words of
Christ. He (Luther) said that God had made him a curse to them
because of
their sin.
Could the same be true today in our generation?? Idolatry is idolatry
in any generation.
"Yet the Lord hath not given you an heart to
perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day"
(Deut 29:4)
cd: I see then as
holding part truth and part error. Their fruits shows them to be
more harmful then helpful. What did these two reform the world to
Truth or error?I see error in the magnitude of the error of the
RCC-which is evident of their praying to Mary as intercessor.
Consider this- the truth has always existed but these guys step into
the place of truth and prevent the existing truth from spreading
with their teachings. The world will always receive error before
truth. This is of course derived from my understanding of the
actions of these two men mentioned.
Dean:Am I (are we) to understand that
you and Judy have now 'dismissed' THE TWO MAJOR REFORMERS at
that time in history? Do either of you perceive Luther/Calvin as
UNbelievers?
I think there is a big difference. Luther was
a bit rude and crude and he went from crawling up St. Peters
Basillica on his knees and flagellating himself in penance to
going wild with "where sin abounds grace doth much more
abound" and running off with that. So in his case the pendulum
swung as far as it could in the opposite direction. Also
he never got completely free from the RC taint in
his attitude toward the Jews which was not one of love and
longsuffering by any means. One can see the influence of Augustine
there - Luther wanted them hunted down
and killed.
cd:
Judy did you know that M.Luther had Street Preachers put in
oversize bird cages and hung up in the church even on Sunday
morning while he and his followers worshiped God. Amazes me
that some people quote hin as an enerest speaker for God. In
the entire Bible who was persecuted- the Christians or the
pagans? When have Christians done such acts? Concern the
moderation of religion-here is what the Bible
says:
Jud 1:3
Beloved, when I gave all
diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was
needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye
should earnestly contend for the faith which was
once delivered unto the saints.
In the above I see no
room for modernizing (ie.alter/changing)the gospel to
comform to modern belief of righ or wrong.To do so is a
great mistake.
