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No, Dean. I shall attempt to factor in that which
is deemed an 'insult' and that which is not.It'd appear that the theology of the
'deep south' has influenced both yourself and Judy in ways that you know not
of.
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Sent: February 26, 2006 18:28
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Continuing
repentance
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Sent: 2/26/2006 9:51:59 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Continuing
repentance
Dean: I don't consider myself a particularly
'sensitive' person. However, I wonder if you can spot the two implicit
insults in Judy's post? This is what comes of the approach you seem to want
to take.
cd: I can not control all things
Lance and some leadway will be giving. Judy did no name calling-hence no
personal insults were giving.Again is there truth in her words in particular
in those two remarks you mentioned?If not prove her
wrong.
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Sent: February 26, 2006 09:25
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Continuing
repentance
Who? the church fathers,
Augustine, Calvin, Luther, Barth, Torrance, Polanyi, Joseph Smith,
Dake... (please insert
in your favourite 'bad person'
here)? I don't borrow trouble Lance, so I leave judging their
persons to the one who judges
righteously. As for their
writings - I spend about as much time and effort meditating upon them as
you do with the
policies of George W. They, like
him are mere men.
As to the latter Judy, I have and, it
does. Would you be so kind as to answer, giving your own opinions,
concerning the aforementioned persons?
Well Lance, you have taken up an offence for
the so called "church fathers" where IMO the Church has just one
Father and only
one Lord. I know Paul the apostle referred to himself as a
spiritual father to some but these are
people he
had ministered to in person. I am happy to let those who
have gone before RIP. We have the same
Word that was "once" delivered to the saints and the same Spirit who
inspired the prophets teaching and leading us - so that we lack nothing. Concerning "conclusions" Lance. You come to quite a few
of them concerning this Nation and
Government yourself. Have you
considered that this may also circumvent genuine dialogue
also?
As to the former, "conformed to the
image of Christ", yes. As to the latter "cages", no.
As I see it, Judy/Dean and others, what
underlies the INSULTS (take note Dean) being levelled at: the church
fathers, Augustine, Calvin, Luther, Barth, Torrance, Polanyi, Joseph
Smith, Dake... (please insert in your favourite 'bad person'
here) is a conclusion. I don't feel the need to identify that
conclusion.These conclusions are attempt circumventing genuine
dialogue.In some/many cases there exists no wish to 'dialogue'
whatsoever'.
Are Dean
and I to believe Lance that you perceive these two men to be
"conformed to the image
of Christ" in their generation? I
had never heard of the "oversize bird cages" do you know about
this Lance?
Dean:Am I (are we) to understand
that you and Judy have now 'dismissed' THE TWO MAJOR
REFORMERS at that time in history? Do either of you perceive
Luther/Calvin as UNbelievers?
I think there is
a big difference. Luther was a bit rude and crude and he
went from crawling up St. Peters Basillica on his knees and
flagellating himself in penance to going wild with "where
sin abounds grace doth much more abound" and running off with
that. So in his case the pendulum swung as far as it could in
the opposite direction. Also he never got
completely free from the RC taint in his attitude toward the
Jews which was not one of love and longsuffering by any means.
One can see the influence of Augustine there - Luther wanted
them hunted down and killed.
cd:
Judy did you know that M.Luther had Street Preachers put
in oversize bird cages and hung up in the church even on
Sunday morning while he and his followers worshiped God.
Amazes me that some people quote hin as an enerest speaker
for God. In the entire Bible who was persecuted- the
Christians or the pagans? When have Christians done such
acts? Concern the moderation of religion-here is what the
Bible says:
Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all
diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it
was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort
you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith
which was once delivered unto the
saints.
In the above I see no
room for modernizing (ie.alter/changing)the gospel to
comform to modern belief of righ or wrong.To do so is a
great mistake.
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