Moderator:
Kevin can you prove this to be true about Lance?
Ex 20:16 thou shalt not bear false
witness against your neighbor
Read the post from DH about then lance's
response, he says
"Me too, Dave. When TRUELY
OBJECTIONABLE BEHAVIOUR is objected to (by 'acting out') these persons
occasionally do seem surprised."
Does repeating stories about which one was not a witness
qualify for bearing FALSE WITNESS?
IF YOU WANT TO BE JUDGE then according to DU 19 you
need to make DILIGENT INQUIRY INTO THE MATTER! This is only
FAIR and according to God's word it is also RIGHT!
Du 19:16 If a false witness rise
up against any man to testify against him that which is
wrong; Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall
stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in
those days; And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold,
if the witness be a false witness, and hath
testified falsely against his brother; Then shall ye
do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou
put the evil away from among you.
Let me present some FACTS for your consideration:
1) Let me remind you I was an EYE WITNESS to the
events.
Du 19:15 One witness shall not rise up
against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth:
at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses,
shall the matter be established.
It is my Person that has been the victim of the attack.
In the SPIRIT of fair play I posted additional questions to defend my
good name that has been wrongly DEFAMED.
Salt Lake City is a place to which Lance probably has never set foot
let alone during our preaching activities there. In fact he has never seen
me preach PERIOD. So how could he be a witness, other than a false?
DH was not a witness either.
Neither DH nor Lance qualify as a eye witness nor a single
witness.
according to DU 19:15 they are then both in SIN!
I refuse to apologize for the truth of my statements.
2) Then to address/correct the issue I asked for a description of
the so called "OBJECTIONABLE BEHAVIOUR"
Of course none was forthcoming!
According to God's word this BEHAVIOUR is an additional OFFENCE!
Leviticus 5:1. And if a soul
sin, and hear the voice of swearing, and is a witness, whether he hath seen
or known of it; if he do not utter it, then he shall bear his
iniquity.
The particular QUESTIONS which I originaly
posed:
What was the MOST OBJECTIONABLE part for you Lance?
What Behavior did you REALY REALY find Offensive.
Please fill us in on the deatails
We are waiting for the LOW DOWN
Where were you when you OBSERVERED this deplorable action?
Or are you just BEARING TRUELY False witness
again?
where you there?
BTW no SP was taken to Jail it was a Mormon HIGH PRIEST that was carted
off, and charged in CRIMINAL COURT!
This mormon HIGH PRIEST is therefore DISQUALIFIED:
A bishop then must be blameless,
the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to
hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker,
not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a
brawler
FALSE, a.
L. falsus, from fallo, to deceive. See Fall and
Fail.1. Not true; not conformable to fact;
expressing what is contrary to that which exists, is done, said or thought.
A false report communicates what is not done or said. A false accusation
imputes to a person what he has not done or said. A false witness testifies
what is not true. A false opinion is not according to truth or fact. The
word is applicable to any subject, physical or moral.
2. Not well founded; as a false claim.
3. Not true; not according to the lawful
standard; as a false weight or measure.
4. Substituted for another; succedaneous;
supposititious; as a false bottom.
5. Counterfeit; forged; not genuine; as false
coin; a false bill or note.
6. Not solid or sound; deceiving
expectations; as a false foundation
False and slippery ground.
7. Not agreeable to rule or propriety; as
false construction in language.
8. Not honest or just; not fair; as false
play.
9. Not faithful or loyal; treacherous;
perfidious; deceitful. The king's subjects may prove false to him. So we
say, a false heart.
10. Unfaithful; inconstant; as a false
friend; a false lover; false to promises and vows.
The husband and wife proved false to each
other.
11. Deceitful; treacherous; betraying
secrets.
12. Counterfeit; not genuine or real; as a
false diamond.
13. Hypocritical; feigned; made or assumed
for the purpose of deception; as false tears; false modesty. The man appears
in false colors. The advocate gave the subject a false coloring.
False fire, a blue flame, made by the burning
of certain combustibles, in a wooden tube; used as a signal during the
night.
False imprisonment, the arrest and
imprisonment of a person without warrant or cause, or contrary to law; or
the unlawful detaining of a person in custody.
FALSE, adv. Not truly; not honestly; falsely.
FALSE, v.t.
1. To violate by failure of veracity; to
deceive. Obs.
2. To defeat; to balk; to evade. Obs.
Definition from Webster's American Dictionary of the
English Language, 1828.
Dean Moore
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Moderator: Kevin can you prove
this to be true about Lance?If so please do so or stop the Ad. Hom .
Kevin wrote:"Or are you just BEARING TRUELY False
witness again?" (see your wording in the
below)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 3/6/2006 3:03:23 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
AH HAH you have found ABSOLUTE TRUTH again!
"TRUELY OBJECTIONABLE BEHAVIOUR"
See you can find the ABSOLUTE when you want to that is the problem
most O the time you just plain don't want to!
What was the MOST OBJECTIONABLE part for you Lance?
What Behavior did you REALY REALY find Offensive.
Please fill us in on the deatails
We are waiting for the LOW DOWN
Where were you when you OBSERVERED this deplorable action?
Or are you just BEARING TRUELY False witness
again?
where you there?
Lance Muir
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Me too, Dave. When TRUELY OBJECTIONABLE
BEHAVIOUR is objected to (by 'acting out') these persons occasionally
do seem surprised.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: March 06, 2006
10:43
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
DAVEH: OK Dean, I understand your sensitivity
to such and will respond without using the words you find
objectionable. I would like to continue to discuss this, as I
find it interesting to see how SPers
think.
I am curious as to why one would
still show up on somebody's doorstep when an objectionable topic is
mentioned rather than discuss it with them via the phone or
email? What is to be accomplished by a personal visit?
Most folks would understand such a visit to be a physical threat,
even though it could be claimed that the offended has a
constitutional right to confront the
offender.
The reason I ask this is because
it seems to me that many SPers seemed surprised that they are
physically attacked when confronting sinners on the streets.
Yet they feel compelled to stare the jaws of death (so to speak) in
the mouth. Is this a martyr complex of sorts? Does it
give SPers confidence if they are persecuted for the Lord's sake
? I suppose an argument can be made that if one dies while in
the service of the Lord, it would be a feather in the cap of the
persecuted while at the same time driving the persecutor even deeper
into hell. To me that seems like rather odd logic, considering
that the SPer (or guy showing up on the doorstep) is somewhat a
catalyst in this scenario. IOW....Is a SPer guilty of
promoting a problem when he uses his constitutionally guaranteed
free speech to aggravate a situation that can and will likely turn
to violence?
Dean Moore wrote:
Moderator: Wouldn't have to show up in
Portland DaveH-all I would have to do is click a button and my
problem is solved and that is exactly what I going to do the next
time you use the words-****************** in the combination that
you used them below. Discussion over-warning given!
-----
Original Message -----
Sent:
3/5/2006 12:52:41 PM
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
DAVEH: Dean, from
what you said previously about the oneness of husband and wife,
if I were to ask you about ************,, you would take
that as a personal attack on ****** and would then presume it to
be a personal attack on you as well, and then proceed to come to
Portland and show up on my doorstep.....is that correct?
Wouldn't it be smarter just to say the same thing to me via
email or a phone call, rather than show up on my doorstep?
What would be accomplished by coming to Portland?
If I were then to assume you are on
my doorstep for a reason other than an amicable discussion, and
felt my life was being threatened by your presence on my
doorstep, I would probably not answer the door. Wouldn't
that just frustrate your reason for going to all that effort,
cost, time and travel in an effort to come to my doorstep?
Would you proceed to pound on my doo r expecting me to open
it? If I did not respond to your pounding, then what would
you do? And if you continued to pound on my door, what
would you do if I opened it with a gun in my hand, as I might do
if I perceived you as being a threat to me in my home?
At that point, if you turned and
left, nothing else would happen and you would have spent a lot
of effort for little reason other than to satisfy your
pride. If on the other hand you were to raise the level of
confrontation by arguing, and if I misunderstood the reasons you
were on my doorstep confronting me and refusing to leave, would
you be surprised if it led to a lethal action on my
part?
IF that above scenario were to
occur, how do you think the law would view this matter?
Would I be found guilty of manslaughter, or would you be guilty
of threatening my life to the point of my using justifiable
lethal means in self-defense? In my defense, I'm sure my
lawyer would quote your comment.....
...
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