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Original Message -----
Sent:
3/6/2006 8:55:37 PM
Subject:
[TruthTalk] ***************Respose - Moderator comment
ADHOM*************
Moderator: Kevin can you prove this to be true about
Lance?
Ex 20:16 thou shalt not
bear false witness against your neighbor
Read the post from DH about then lance's
response, he says
"Me too, Dave. When
TRUELY OBJECTIONABLE BEHAVIOUR is objected to (by 'acting out')
these persons occasionally do seem
surprised."
Does repeating stories about which one was
not a witness qualify for bearing FALSE
WITNESS?
IF YOU WANT TO BE JUDGE then
according to DU 19 you need to make DILIGENT INQUIRY INTO
THE MATTER! This is only FAIR and according to God's word
it is also RIGHT!
Du 19:16 If a
false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that
which is wrong; Then both the men, between whom the
controversy is, shall stand before the LORD, before the
priests and the judges, which shall be in those days; And the
judges shall make diligent
inquisition: and, behold, if the witness
be a false witness, and hath testified
falsely against his brother; Then shall ye do unto
him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou
put the evil away from among you.
Let me present some FACTS for your
consideration:
1) Let me remind you I was an EYE
WITNESS to the events.
Du 19:15 One witness
shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in
any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the
mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be
established.
It is my Person that has been the victim of the
attack.
In the SPIRIT of fair play I posted additional
questions to defend my good name that has been wrongly
DEFAMED.
Salt Lake City is a place to which Lance probably
has never set foot let alone during our preaching activities there.
In fact he has never seen me preach PERIOD. So how could he be a
witness, other than a false?
DH was not a witness
either.
Neither DH nor Lance qualify as a eye witness
nor a single witness.
according to DU 19:15 they are then both in
SIN!
I refuse to apologize for the truth of my
statements.
2) Then to address/correct the issue I asked
for a description of the so called "OBJECTIONABLE BEHAVIOUR"
Of course none was forthcoming!
According to God's word this BEHAVIOUR is an
additional OFFENCE!
Leviticus 5:1. And if a
soul sin, and hear the voice of swearing, and is a witness, whether
he hath seen or known of it; if he do not utter it, then he shall
bear his iniquity.
The particular QUESTIONS which I
originaly posed:
What was the MOST OBJECTIONABLE part for you
Lance?
What Behavior did you REALY REALY find
Offensive.
Please fill us in on the deatails
We are waiting for the LOW DOWN
Where were you when you OBSERVERED this deplorable
action?
Or are you just BEARING TRUELY
False witness again?
where you there?
BTW no SP was taken to Jail it was a Mormon HIGH
PRIEST that was carted off, and charged in CRIMINAL
COURT!
This mormon HIGH PRIEST is therefore
DISQUALIFIED:
A bishop then must be
blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of
good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to
wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but
patient, not a brawler
FALSE, a. L. falsus, from fallo, to deceive.
See Fall and
Fail.
1. Not true; not
conformable to fact; expressing what is contrary to that which
exists, is done, said or thought. A false report communicates what
is not done or said. A false accusation imputes to a person what he
has not done or said. A false witness testifies what is not true. A
false opinion is not according to truth or fact. The word is
applicable to any subject, physical or moral.
2. Not well founded; as
a false claim.
3. Not true; not
according to the lawful standard; as a false weight or
measure..
4. Substituted for
another; succedaneous; supposititious; as a false
bottom.
5. Counterfeit; forged;
not genuine; as false coin; a false bill or note.
6. Not solid or sound;
deceiving expectations; as a false foundation
False and slippery
ground.
7. Not agreeable to rule
or propriety; as false construction in language.
8. Not honest or just;
not fair; as false play.
9. Not faithful or
loyal; treacherous; perfidious; deceitful. The king's subjects may
prove false to him. So we say, a false heart..
10. Unfaithful;
inconstant; as a false friend; a false lover; false to promises and
vows.
The husband and wife
proved false to each other.
11. Deceitful;
treacherous; betraying secrets.
12. Counterfeit; not
genuine or real; as a false diamond.
13. Hypocritical;
feigned; made or assumed for the purpose of deception; as false
tears; false modesty. The man appears in false colors. The advocate
gave the subject a false coloring.
False fire, a blue
flame, made by the burning of certain combustibles, in a wooden
tube; used as a signal during the night.
False imprisonment, the
arrest and imprisonment of a person without warrant or cause, or
contrary to law; or the unlawful detaining of a person in
custody.
FALSE, adv. Not truly; not honestly;
falsely.
FALSE, v.t.
1. To violate by failure
of veracity; to deceive. Obs.
2. To defeat; to balk;
to evade. Obs..
Definition from Webster's American
Dictionary of the English Language, 1828.
Dean Moore
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Moderator:
Kevin can you prove this to be true about Lance?If so please do so
or stop the Ad. Hom .
Kevin wrote:"Or are you just BEARING
TRUELY False witness again?" (see your wording in the
below)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 3/6/2006 3:03:23 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
AH HAH you have found ABSOLUTE
TRUTH again!
"TRUELY
OBJECTIONABLE BEHAVIOUR"
See you can find the ABSOLUTE
when you want to that is the problem most O the time you just
plain don't want to!
What was the MOST OBJECTIONABLE
part for you Lance?
What Behavior did you REALY REALY
find Offensive.
Please fill us in on the deatails
We are waiting for the LOW
DOWN
Where were you when you
OBSERVERED this deplorable action?
Or are you
just BEARING TRUELY False witness
again?
where you
there?
Lance Muir
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Me too,
Dave. When TRUELY OBJECTIONABLE BEHAVIOUR is objected to (by
'acting out') these persons occasionally do seem
surprised.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: March 06, 2006
10:43
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
DAVEH: OK Dean, I understand your
sensitivity to such and will respond without using the words
you find objectionable. I would like to continue to
discuss this, as I find it interesting to see how SPers
think.
I am curious as to why one
would still show up on somebody's doorstep when an
objectionable topic is mentioned rather than discuss it with
them via the phone or email? What is to be
accomplished by a personal visit? Most folks would
understand such a visit to be a physical threat, even though
it could be claimed that the offended has a constitutional
right to confront the offender.
The reason I ask this is because it seems to me that many
SPers seemed surprised that they are physically attacked
when confronting sinners on the streets. Yet they feel
compelled to stare the jaws of death (so to speak) in the
mouth. Is this a martyr complex of sorts? Does
it give SPers confidence if they are persecuted for the
Lord's sake ? I suppose an argument can be made that
if one dies while in the service of the Lord, it would be a
feather in the cap of the persecuted while at the same time
driving the persecutor even deeper into hell. To me
that seems like rather odd logic, considering that the SPer
(or guy showing up on the doorstep) is somewhat a catalyst
in this scenario. IOW....Is a SPer guilty of promoting
a problem when he uses his constitutionally guaranteed free
speech to aggravate a situation that can and will likely
turn to violence?
Dean Moore wrote:
Moderator: Wouldn't have to show
up in Portland DaveH-all I would have to do is click a
button and my problem is solved and that is exactly what I
going to do the next time you use the
words-****************** in the combination that you used
them below. Discussion over-warning
given!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 3/5/2006 12:52:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
DAVEH: Dean, from
what you said previously about the oneness of husband
and wife, if I were to ask you about
************,, you would take that as a personal attack
on ****** and would then presume it to be a personal
attack on you as well, and then proceed to come to
Portland and show up on my doorstep.....is that
correct? Wouldn't it be smarter just to say the
same thing to me via email or a phone call, rather than
show up on my doorstep? What would be accomplished
by coming to Portland?
If I were then to assume you are on my doorstep for a
reason other than an amicable discussion, and felt my
life was being threatened by your presence on my
doorstep, I would probably not answer the door.
Wouldn't that just frustrate your reason for going to
all that effort, cost, time and travel in an effort to
come to my doorstep? Would you proceed to pound on
my doo r expecting me to open it? If I did not
respond to your pounding, then what would you do?
And if you continued to pound on my door, what would you
do if I opened it with a gun in my hand, as I might do
if I perceived you as being a threat to me in my
home?
At that point, if
you turned and left, nothing else would happen and you
would have spent a lot of effort for little reason other
than to satisfy your pride. If on the other hand
you were to raise the level of confrontation by arguing,
and if I misunderstood the reasons you were on my
doorstep confronting me and refusing to leave, would you
be surprised if it led to a lethal action on my
part?
IF that above scenario
were to occur, how do you think the law would view this
matter? Would I be found guilty of manslaughter,
or would you be guilty of threatening my life to the
point of my using justifiable lethal means in
self-defense? In my defense, I'm sure my lawyer
would quote your comment.....
...
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