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Kevin, please don't take my comments so personal. I'm not suggesting
that you want to censor DH. You just don't seem to understand my desire to
engage him in dialogue. The extreme opposite of engaging him in
dialogue would be kicking him off the list, and so I'm explaining why
I would not want to do that.
You argue about joining Monguls and Mormons as a way of engaging in
dialogue with them. I don't want to do that. This is one reason
why TruthTalk exists. We can talk with people from diverse
backgrounds without joining them. If I call the Mormons and say I
would like to talk, they only meet with me a few times before they realize they
will never convince me and so I never see them again. In this
forum, I have talked with Mormons like DaveH for years without either of us
trying to convert the other. We can discuss truth from our own
perspectives, hearing as well as sharing with one another. This
is not love for humanistic philosophy. It is simply continuing
education.
David Miller
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 7:04
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a
Christian?
Just to keep on the up N up
I never advocated censoring DH.
So why would you mention such in a response to me?
This really surprises me.
Well you are welcome to DO as you see fit.
I do not feel called to UNDERSTAND thru discussion the lost.
This is just your own personal Humanistic Philosophy.
To understand the bikers we minister too, should I join the
Monguls?
Can one be sure what they learn thru discussions with Mormons is
reliable.
Since LDS take a DEATH Oath to protect the "secret" things of
Mormonism?
David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Kevin,
you seem to be stuck in a "throw out the life preserver" mode. Try
to
shift gears. Not everything is about saving the lost.
For the
purposes of this list, I am interested in engaging people like Dave
in
discussion. I think we would be in a much better position of helping
people embrace truth if we understand through discussion the error that
is
hindering them. Kicking Dave off the list does not save his soul. It
does
not help him or us. Through dialogue, I believe that the truth
shines. I
am much better equiped talking to Mormons after having been
properly
educated by guys like Dave and Blaine on this
list.
DaveH considers himself a Christian. I don't have a problem
with that. You
do. This difference in terminology is worth discussing. I
don't see much
difference between a lost Baptist and a lost Mormon. You
apparently do.
David Miller
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Deegan
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday,
March 13, 2006 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a
Christian?
You seem more interested in the philosophy of just what is
and what is not a
christian.
Is the dictionary definition correct or
not.
What is much more important is the fact that DH is headed for
eternal
torment.
Man overboard!
Do you want to discuss wether
we throw the blue/white life preserver to him
or the
red/white?
David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
The thing is,
some Baptists, some Methodists, some ... name your favorite
sect of
Christianity, also are not what you are. Some of them worship idols
too.
Do you agree?
David Miller
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Deegan
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday,
March 13, 2006 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a
Christian?
I do not put any special emphasis on using the term
christian.
Whatever you may say I am it is definitely NOT what DH
is.
Call it what you want.
FAITH vs IDOL worship?
Does that
work?
David Miller wrote:
Kevin wrote:
> Do you see Jesus
& Paul using your
> Dictionary definition of
Christian?
Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard
the term
"Christian." Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he
offers us no
definition for the word Christian. I see the word as
refering to those who
profess to follow the teaching of Christ. People
can argue about whether
others actually do follow Christ or not, but that
seems to me to be another
debate. When more than 80% of people in the
United States identify
themselves as being a Christian, it seems to me
that it would not be very
productive to spend our time trying to argue
with them that they are not
really Christian at all. Does being a
Christian save anybody? No. Faith
in the person of Jesus Christ is what
saves. I think that gets lost when we
focus too much on the sect of
Christianity and its rightful definition.
Do you think that there is
something holy or special about the word
"Christian" for the Bible
believer?
As for Anti-Christs being Christian, well, of course that
will be the case.
Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look how he turned
out. Should we expect
Christianity to be pure and void of any Judas
Iscariots? I don't think so.
David Miller
----- Original
Message -----
From: Kevin Deegan
To:
[email protected]
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?
Do you
see Jesus & Paul using your Dictionary definition of
Christian?
Under this definition then, a decieved one who follows
ANTI Christ is truly
a Christian!
1) He truly Believes he is
worshipping Jesus Christ
2) He truly believes the one he is following was
sent by God
3) He follows his teachings and example
But in reality
he is a hell bound sinner.
Help me contextualize, this apparent
contradiction
David Miller wrote:
Judy wrote:
> What reason
would anyone on TT have
> to assume that a lifelong Mormon is
also
> a Christian?
Following is how my dictionary defines a
Christian:
Chris·tian
noun (plural Chris·tians)
1. believer in
Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that Jesus
Christ was sent
to the world by God to save humanity, and who tries to
follow his
teachings and example
If we accept the secular definition of believer
as somebody who believes in
the teachings of a particular religious
faith, then from my perspective ,
Mormonism falls into this category of
Christian. This does not mean that
they have the right belief system, or
that any of them will be saved. It
simply places them in the Christian
category, as a religious sect that is
centered on the idea that Jesus
Christ is the Savior sent by God to save
humanity. There are false sects
within Christianity, and I think the Mormon
sects are among
them.
David Miller.
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