Lance I don't have to know everything he has ever taught or call myself a "Torrance expert" to know
what he says in the piece you posted.  We are back to what is a dog?, what is a cat?. What is a black dog?
What is a big black dog?.  I am sorry to touch your idol Lance. all tha ttime would have been much better
spent in God's Word - He will let you know for sure what He means when one comes on His terms.
 
 
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:11:17 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
That which follows is a phony self-deprecatory commentty: Even though I've listened to everything he's taught that's been recorded since 1954 and, have read nearly everything he's written, along with many books that are about him/his work yet (here it comes) I'D NOT CALL MYSELF A TFTORRANCE EXPERT. 
 
You're wrong on this one Judy! Let it go and, move along. If indeed we have but a week left then, let's not dwell overlong on your misunderstanding of T. F. Torrance.
 
Since he quotes the Scots Confession, I would say his understanding could be found
therein.
 
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 09:47:33 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Judy:What is 'The Reformed Doctrine of Election' as T. F. Torrance understands it (not as you understand it)?
In his writing below about "existential decision" Torrance confirms Calvin's doctrine of "Total Depravity" which teaches that fallen mankind is akin to a literal corpse and unable to make a decision that is anything but evil .. Unconditional Election follows along with Limited Atonement. I figure his Limited Atonement would conflict violently with the way you see the "incarnation" so possibly Torrance veers off here a little but so far it sounds like Calvin's other points are in place.

"But the Scots Confession laid the axe to the root of any such movement when it insisted that we have to spoil ourselves even of our own regeneration and sanctification as well as justification. What is "axed" so radically was the notion of "co-redemption" which in our day has again become so rampant, not only in the Roman Church, but in Liberal and Evangelical Protestantism, e.g., the emphasis upon existential decision as the means whereby we "make real" for ourselves the kerygma [proclamation] of the New Testament, which means that in the last resort our salvation depends upon our own personal or existential decision.

That is the exact antithesis of the Reformed doctrine of election, which rests salvation upon the prior and objective decision of God in Christ. It is Justification by Grace alone that guards the Gospel from corruption by "Evangelicals," "Liberals," and Romans alike."

 
 

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