Re: [TruthTalk] torrance

[knpraise]

On second thought, Judy, don't bother  -  as if you were going to answer the question, anyway !!  Lance is correct  --  if we have but a week remaining,   trying to squeeze a real answer out of you on this one is not worth the effort.  I will just say that you did and move on. 

 

jd

 

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Thanks for you substantive statement of fact versus opinion.  But,  I shall continue with my opinion in light of numerous JudyPosts in my possession. 

 

And you did not answer Lance's question about TFT.  In your words, specifically, what is Torrance's position as relates to Calvinism?  I seriously do not think you know.   Prove me wrong   --  that will be fine with me.   

 

jd

 

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From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

You JD obviously do not understand the meaning of either - do your homework and then we will talk.  jt

 

On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 15:12:36 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

If anyone has expressed a belief in "total depravity,"  it is Judy Taylor  --  what with her notion of the "generaltional curse"and all.   She denies the use of phrase "total depravity" while esposing the teaching.  jd

 

From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

In his writing below about "existential decision" Torrance confirms Calvin's doctrine of "Total Depravity" which teaches that fallen mankind is akin to a literal corpse and unable to make a decision that is anything but evil .. Unconditional Election follows along with Limited Atonement. I figure his Limited Atonement would conflict violently with the way you see the "incarnation" so possibly Torrance veers off here a little but so far it sounds like Calvin's other points are in place.

"But the Scots Confession laid the axe to the root of any such movement when it insisted that we have to spoil ourselves even of our own regeneration and sanctification as well as justification. What is "axed" so radically was the notion of "co-redemption" which in our day has again become so rampant, not only in the Roman Church, but in Liberal and Evangelical Protestantism, e.g., the emphasis upon existential decision as the means whereby we "make real" for ourselves the kerygma [proclamation] of the New Testament, which means that in the last resort our salvation depends upon our own personal or existential decision.

That is the exact antithesis of the Reformed doctrine of election, which rests salvation upon the prior and objective decision of God in Christ. It is Justification by Grace alone that guards the Gospel from corruption by "Evangelicals," "Liberals," and Romans alike."