On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 11:51:03AM -0500, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 11:37, Gonzalo Diethelm wrote:
> > I think Fortress is the right choice at this point, given the
> > (proposed) roadmap for Avalon:
> > 
> >   ECM -> Fortress -> Merlin -> SuperContainer
> 
> I don't believe so. I have been working on Plexus with Turbine in mind
> for quite some time. Plexus has more tests, a Maven plugin to assist in
> component development, runtime deployment and testing. Plexus also has
> services in place for a clean, component oriented version of Turbine as
> an application development tool.

My initial reaction is that I'd like to see Turbine stay away from
Plexus. Even if it a technically superior implementation of the
Avalon Framework, I think we should stick with the Avalon community
on this one as they seem to be moving towards the previously
mentioned SuperContainer for all of the right reasons (e.g. keeping
a solid user base and cutting down on fragmentation).

To me, it's comparable to the Torque/OJB situation. Why should
Torque keep maintaining all of its persistence code when OJB is
already devoted to it? Why should the Turbine/Fulcrum community
devote to maintaining our own (assuming Jason donates it) container
when Avalon is already devoted to it?

Though if Jason could give a few of examples of why Plexus is
undoubtedly the right container for the Turbine/Fulcrum community
over Avalon's Fortress/Merlin/SuperContainer roadmap, I could
concede that perhaps it's the right way to go (e.g. I vaguely
remember Jason mentioning something about dynamic loading...not
quite sure).

I've been really hyped about the Plexus container for a long time
now, but after lurking on avalon-dev for awhile, I've come to agree
with their SuperContainer approach and would rather see the work
that is being done on Plexus be funneled into Avalon's
Fortress/Merlin/SuperContainer effort.

Though maybe Plexus is the right way to go for now until the
SuperContainer is released... Jason, can you see Plexus (or the
features that you/Zenplex require of Plexus) being implemented in
Avalon's Fortress/Merlin/SuperContainer efforts in either the short
or long term?

Thanks,
Stephen

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