On Monday 18 October 2004 04:10, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote:

> You are just walking around spreading FUD.

Sometimes I wonder about opinionated people's motivations.

1. Criticism about what is wrong without saying what is right (and not only in 
an isolated context.)

2. Haggling over people who make an effort without lifting a finger is not the 
"Apache Way", either. "Don't throw stones when you are in a glass house."

3. There is an ASF consensus that all ASF projects are going to be 
Frinds-of-Gump. If you have a problem with that, bring it to community@ 
(oops, that is 'noise', so better not) or the board@ (oops, they are too busy 
for small time complaints like this), so maybe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey, 
why not a private mail to Stefano. He cares. He can excempt Turbine/Fulcrum 
from the Gump world.

4. CVS is there to allow for people working together to get things working 
properly before releases. So we are not talking about breaking compatibility 
at all, we are in fact talking about the opposite. Gump is building from CVS 
to allow detection of compatibility issues (the recent Xalan repackaging 
change is a testament to the Power of Gump).

So, either explain in nicely tone and attitude, why the changes won't work, 
and what will work with *all* tools involved, or stop bashing me for making 
an effort. Feel free to revert the codebase, and fix the Gump issues 
yourself. However, unlike Your Friendliness, we *will* not blindly criticize 
efforts, and give any help that is required to get going with Gump.

If you happen to work on Cactus as well (which is one of the showstoppers from 
other Turbine builds), we would really like to get your help on the issues 
about it;
http://brutus.apache.org/gump/public/jakarta-cactus/jakarta-cactus-framework-13/gump_work/build_jakarta-cactus_jakarta-cactus-framework-13.html

Cheers
Niclas

P.S. For the record, Fulcrum didn't build and pass its own unittest prior to 
my changes either, but stopping at failure is turned off.

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