> -----Original Message----- > From: Humberto Hernandez Torres [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 10:39 AM > To: Turbine Users List > Subject: RE: Why Use Turbine? > > > I have a couple of guesses why struts seems to be more mainstream than > Turbine. > > 1.- It is based on JSPs an all the MKT behind. I personally > prefer Velocity > than JSPs. I think that JSP was just a MKT way of competing > against ASPs > from Microsoft.
Quite possibly. JSP seems to be a quick and easy solution for migrating easily from any server side scripting language (asp, php, server side java script, etc). Staff is familiar with that type of development environment and can easily begin building. Btw, which came first, struts or the TDK including velocity? I don't think that overall the velocity/TDK learning curve is any greater than doing a struts based application (though I've only recently learned struts and haven't implemented anything with it) > > 2.- The documentation and the site seems to be cleaner and better > structured. And that gives you some sense of security in the > quality of the > product. > Turbine needs more people to have more doc writers. Any it needs better documentation to get more people. Kinda a catch 22. The people using it seem to be software engineers / developers. People who are willing and able to suffer the lack of documentation to gain the power and ease of use of the product. > -- > Humberto > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: George Allaman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 9:36 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Why Use Turbine? > > > > > > Big thanks to all who contributed to this thread. I would > > suggest a new > > thread on Struts vs. Turbine, and perhaps another on Velocity > > vs. JSP. > > Both of these topics are of great importance to those > > considering using > > any of these technologies, and I found the posts in this > thread to be > > very illuminating. I do find Velocity templates much easier > to write > > than JSPs, and more readable to non-Java programmers. > > > > Forgive my ignorance about how easy Turbine is to port to any > > compliant > > servlet container. And thanks for showing me how to do it. I > > certainly > > did not mean to malign Turbine - I quite like it, especially > > now that I > > know it is portable to any servlet container. > > > > I am still puzzled why Struts seems so much more mainstream than > > Turbine. I've never seen a job post asking for Turbine > > skills. For some > > reason I had the impression that Struts integrates better > > with J2EE but > > I forget where I got it. > > > > What Turbine needs most, I think, is some kind soul to > > assemble all the > > documentation in one place where it is organized and easily > > accessed. In > > almost all cases, I've found the answers to my questions in > > the existing > > documentation or in the mail list, but damn, does it take a > > long time to > > find it! For instance, I could find nothing on how to port to > > environments other than the TDK. Of course this isn't a > > Turbine specific > > issue, but how was I to know that? > > > > Unfortunately, because the product changes like all > products do, the > > documentation gets out of date pretty quickly, so it needs > to be kept > > up. Wish I could do it. If I understood Turbine, app servers, and > > servlet containers better I might, but my ignorance is pretty > > daunting. > > > > -- > > George Allaman > > Denver, Colorado > > 303 466 2114 > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
