Hi I just notice two things that got imported into trunk and I had to
post something.

tg-admin and quickstart templates where the two of the most horrible
parts of the original TG.

tg-admin grew out of the templates engine and that's why it's based on
paster and not a real commandline util. I say we need to stop that,
which brings us to the question does tg really needs a cmd tool? I
think we do but not for the core most of the old command module where
development tools and/or wrappers to other commandline tools, we need
to separate paster from the CLI and do a real CLI maybe based on the
cmd module and/or have commands be loaded from entry points but the
whole idea is too keep it simple none of this CLI tools are going to
be used by "mortal users" so they should be smart and try not to have
100 switches noone will use.

seconds the templates, they are horrible to code, all the branching
with SO/SA made me go dizzy, so we need a better approach to building
templates, and the problem is really with all the branching, for
example having a full project be build with optional
SO/SA/identitySO/identitySA, will mean having 4 different templates so
we really need second the size just look at
http://trac.turbogears.org/browser/trunk/tg/pastetemplates/turbogears/%2Bpackage%2B
that's almost 10 folders of stuff, stuff that is going to break
projects on updates, stuff people are never going to touch because
they may break something, do we really need ALL that stuff?? code
generation is sometimes the way to go but I'm starting to think here
it's a bad idea. specially with all those instances with the name of
the package, it makes it a pain to upgrade when the templates from
which you started changes.

Don't you think we are imposing something way to rigid?

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