Comments below. Ilias Lazaridis wrote: > TurboGears is essentially a toy as long as is cannot rely on a > industry-standard-compliant (at least a subset) persistency-layer.
You mean like PHP is a toy? PHP only developed a persistency layer beyond thin wrappers around C DB libraries quite recently, yet it seems to be doing alright. PEAR::DB is nothing more than a fancy SQL injection barrier. I think you're missing the point here. I'd say most of the time TG has to work in an existing environment. That probably means MySQL, or Postgres. It's pretty much certain that if TG's model layer is going to abstract away anything, it'll be abstracting away an RDBMS. SO does a pretty good job of it to be honest. If it weren't for the profound performance problems and stagnant development I'd say SO is pretty much as good as it can get. What I really think will be the clincher is SA with an SO API. TG is aimed at making developers' lives easier. Developers know RDBMS. That's how they think. TG's aim should be to allow developers to use an RDBMS exactly how they always did without the sheer tedium of SQL. > [note to readers: > Maybe some friend of Mr. Vargas send's hime a private message, > explaining him that even prefixing the word "stop" with "please" keeps > up a rude tenor. I've see this "please stop" in context of a newcomer - > very annoying to see.] I think he was annoyed that your stupid ideologies are irrelevant and disruptive. Unfortunately Jorge has to represent TurboGears so he probably can't be rude. However I've got nothing to do with TG so I can say pretty much what I like. Stop being disruptive. If you continue to feel the need to impose your viewpoints on us please do it with a patch, not rhetoric. -Rob --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TurboGears" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---

