Comments below.

Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
> TurboGears is essentially a toy as long as is cannot rely on a
> industry-standard-compliant (at least a subset) persistency-layer.

You mean like PHP is a toy? PHP only developed a persistency layer
beyond thin wrappers around C DB libraries quite recently, yet it seems
to be doing alright. PEAR::DB is nothing more than a fancy SQL injection
barrier.

I think you're missing the point here.

I'd say most of the time TG has to work in an existing environment. That
probably means MySQL, or Postgres. It's pretty much certain that if TG's
model layer is going to abstract away anything, it'll be abstracting
away an RDBMS.

SO does a pretty good job of it to be honest. If it weren't for the
profound performance problems and stagnant development I'd say SO is
pretty much as good as it can get. What I really think will be the
clincher is SA with an SO API.

TG is aimed at making developers' lives easier. Developers know RDBMS.
That's how they think. TG's aim should be to allow developers to use an
RDBMS exactly how they always did without the sheer tedium of SQL.

> [note to readers:
> Maybe some friend of Mr. Vargas send's hime a private message,
> explaining him that even prefixing the word "stop" with "please" keeps
> up a rude tenor. I've see this "please stop" in context of a newcomer -
> very annoying to see.]

I think he was annoyed that your stupid ideologies are irrelevant and
disruptive. Unfortunately Jorge has to represent TurboGears so he
probably can't be rude. However I've got nothing to do with TG so I can
say pretty much what I like.

Stop being disruptive. If you continue to feel the need to impose your
viewpoints on us please do it with a patch, not rhetoric.

-Rob

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