Thanks for the suggestions. I do think a higher level of abstraction is 
possible - even with some of the nice libraries, JavaScript somehow feels more 
verbose than the Python I write on the server side. I was just reviewing some 
code I wrote which makes an Ajax request and when it returns, creates or 
updates a chart with the data. 40 lines of code! If I build a chart in Excel, 
it updates automatically when the data changes and I don't have to write *any* 
code. :-)

Barry

----- Original Message ----
From: Daniel Fetchinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 1:36:00 PM
Subject: [TurboGears] Re: Ajax without JavaScript?


> My company is developing a number of web-based applications using
> TurboGears. We'd like to give our consultants a set of high-level tools for
> Ajax development (both browser event handling and Ajax/JSON requests to the
> server). I have found a couple of tools which claim to do this:
> AppCelerator: http://www.appcelerator.org/screencasts
> KSS: http://kssproject.org/
>
> Does anyone have experience using one or both of these tools on a real-world
> project? I'd love to hear about your experience. Are there other tools like
> this should we consider?
>
> Other things we'd like this tool to do:
> - Be easy to extend with our own GUI controls or encapsulating existing
> controls from other libraries. AppCelerator mentions having this ability.
> (Presumably we'd use JavaScript to create the controls, but the person using
> them wouldn't need to.)
> - Make server requests that return arbitrary data (typically JSON or XML)
> and display it in the GUI
> - Translate normal 'form submit' into an Ajax request

I'd recommend ext.js, http://extjs.com/ it not only handles ajax for
you but also has abstracted several components away like jsonreader,
datastore, datagrid, etc, etc, which can be used in a very modular
way. And it has very cool GUI components too. The documentation is
great which I find one of the most compelling arguments for using it.

HTH,
Daniel








      
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