On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 1:55 PM, [email protected]
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Is this correct?  In my limited understanding of web frameworks....it
> seems the world started out with difficult to learn options like Zope,
> J2EE and ASP.
>
no it started out with perl under CGI to generate html. Then those
grew then people realized they where too complex and simpler solutions
arrived.

By the way I wouldn't mix asp with j2ee/zope unless you are talking
about asp.net but that's way way newer so sa usual is MS landing with
new stuff in an already dying market :)

> Then if I'm not mistaken, Ruby on Rails came up with some innovative
> ideas to make things easier that TG, Django and other frameworks
> borrowed heavily from.
>
Actually no, Django (as a closed source project) is at least as old as
ror http://www.ohloh.net/p/django/analyses/latest
http://www.ohloh.net/p/rails/analyses/latest TG1 borrowed a lot from
all over the place, and was started by the end of 06
http://www.ohloh.net/p/turbogears/analyses/latest

As usual the ideas where always there and you had many people doing
them, RoR simply got the credit.

> Is that right?....What are these innovative ideas that Rails came up
> with that distinguishes TG/Django/Rails from Zope/J2EE/ASP that they
> all have in common?
>

That's a very long answer mainly you will need to look at each
component and see how it's done on the older framework. As a simple
example, write JS by hand, vrs prototype, another one will be complex
URL-> method dispatch vs routes.

> Chris

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