Apologies for the delay in posting this because of the holdays. Also, there may be a bit of missing discussion before and after I joined. The discussion was focused on getting the new Web site into shape for the SCA Java M2 launch.
Simon <murphdg> (i=murphdg@@nat/ibm/x-6c500df22064f9c1) has joined the room at Mon Dec 18 16:34:58 GMT 2006. [16:36] <jboynes> simonnash: hi [16:36] <jboynes> thanks for closing the incubator vote :) [16:37] <jboynes> I've copied the distro files to the dist site but I've not updated the website yet [16:37] > hi. np. i was pleased that we got the 3 +1s and didn't start threads leading all over the place. [16:37] <jboynes> yes indeedy [16:37] <simonnash> yes I'd like to spend time today talking about what we do with the web sote [16:38] <jboynes> one of the least dicussive votes I've seen [16:38] <simonnash> not sure whether that's good or bad :-) [16:38] <jboynes> I think its the holidays and people have better things to do [16:38] <jboynes> ;) [16:39] <simonnash> on the web site, venkat did a lot of work and I put some matgerial on the wiki yesterday. we ned to decide which of these changes we will make live when we create the download links. [16:40] <simonnash> i know about the holiday effect. we just squeezed in for the vote before everyone left. [16:45] <simonnash> i would like to add my Getting Started material to the web site but I am not sure whether to produce a patch that is a delta to what is there currently or do it as an update to Venkat's changes. (or both maybe) <ant_> has quit the server at Mon Dec 18 16:45:29 GMT 2006 (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)). <jsdelfino> (n=delfinoj@@c-24-5-173-81.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined the room at Mon Dec 18 16:46:15 GMT 2006. <jsdelfino> (n=delfinoj@@c-24-5-173-81.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has left the room at Mon Dec 18 16:46:35 GMT 2006. <jsdelfino> (n=delfinoj@@c-24-5-173-81.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined the room at Mon Dec 18 16:46:39 GMT 2006. <ant_> (i=ant_@@nat/ibm/x-ad6421e8d054ad16) has joined the room at Mon Dec 18 16:46:43 GMT 2006. [16:46] <jsdelfino> hi [16:47] <simonnash> it is more work to merge it into venkat's material as there is a bit of overlap in places. But I am OK with doing this if we are agreed that we should accept Venkat's changes. The discussion on this did not seem to close on the mailing list. [16:48] <simonnash> anyone have views on this? <lresende> (n=luckbr19@@201.67.62.47) has joined the room at Mon Dec 18 16:48:57 GMT 2006. [16:49] <ant_> i'm for going with venkats new site now and then changing it as reqd over time [16:52] <jboynes> works for me [16:52] <simonnash> anyone not agree with this? [16:52] <kgoodson> sounds god to me [16:52] <kgoodson> good <Venkat> (i=Krish@@59.144.56.100) has joined the room at Mon Dec 18 16:54:18 GMT 2006. [16:54] <simonnash> hi venkat [16:54] <simonnash> we are just discussing the Web site [16:55] <Venkat> Hi ... my sincere apologies... for turning up late... [16:55] <simonnash> seems like folks are OK with moving to the new web site that you have been doing. [16:55] <Venkat> just posted a mail in reply to Jeremy's.. on the artifacts [16:56] <Venkat> what abt the links 'Releases' and FAQ for each of SCA, SDO and DAS.. shall I go ahead with that [16:56] <simonnash> just reading it now [16:56] <lresende> one quick question on the website, Venkat's site was based on a old snapshot of the website, and we are going to make necessary changes/updates basically going for the new structure of the left outline, is this riht ? [16:57] <Venkat> lresende: here it is http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/ [16:57] <Venkat> this is what is proposed [16:57] <simonnash> Venkat, your proposal sounds good to me. let's work together on merging in my Getting Started material into what you have already done. [16:58] <Venkat> ok... [16:59] <Venkat> so let me understand the release artifact stuff.... what needs to be done is update the Downloads page of SCA ... right... [16:59] <Venkat> with a table that lists all of these artifacts... right [16:59] <simonnash> yes [16:59] <simonnash> i listed them all in my Getting Started [17:00] <simonnash> i also listed the nmaven ones.. but these would not be mentioned on the download page [17:00] <Venkat> ok.. [17:00] <lresende> Venkat:so,this url you sent me has some old stuff, like the structure for the download pages, [17:01] <lresende> i think the biggest proposed changes is the outline on the left replacing the tabs on the top <ant_> (i=ant_@@nat/ibm/x-ad6421e8d054ad16) has quit the server at Mon Dec 18 17:01:38 GMT 2006 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). [17:01] <Venkat> right... [17:01] <lresende> so, probably would make sense to take a new snapshot of the current website and re-apply your chages [17:01] <lresende> is that the idea ? [17:01] <lresende> as I also joined the chat late [17:02] <Venkat> yes.. that might need to be done as there has been updates after I picked up the last time... for eg. the SDO and DAS downloads and releases [17:02] <Venkat> also what about the content for a separate page on Releases... [17:02] <Venkat> for each of SCA, SDO and DAS... [17:03] <simonnash> i looked at checkins for the site after Venkat's snapshot. there don't seem to be many. it might be easier to apply these to what Venkat has. whichever is less work. [17:03] <murphdg> I think seperating download components makes some sense - when I last looked there were loads of links and a little hard to find what I was after [17:05] <lresende> simonnash: sure, as long as there is some kind of merges [17:05] <simonnash> is htere a Releases page already? i think I saw one somewhere. [17:05] <lresende> the downloads [17:05] <lresende> http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/downloads.html [17:05] <lresende> is that what you are looking for ? [17:06] <Venkat> AFAICT.. there has never been a Release page... just Downloads [17:06] <simonnash> ok, i am looking at Venkat's new site. he has split the downloads in that into separate SCA/SDO/DAS pages [17:07] <murphdg> good - it was the existing page I was referrring to [17:07] <simonnash> i was wondering if it useful to have page listing all releases that we have done as a project (not with every downloadable file). maybe this is the News page. [17:08] <simonnash> Venkat, you site has broken links from the News page <YangZHONG> (n=yzhong@@adsl-69-232-192-86.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has joined the room at Mon Dec 18 17:08:39 GMT 2006. [17:08] <simonnash> there are links to each of the releases but they refer to an obsolete nonexistent page [17:10] <Venkat> if you are looking at what I had posted... yes those things will need updates from the current site... [17:11] <simonnash> i also found a Java Project page linked from the News page. it has some very useful material. But I don't know where its normal place in the hierarchy is. [17:11] <Venkat> I think that has always been grouped under development <isilval_> has quit the server at Mon Dec 18 17:11:58 GMT 2006 ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com"). [17:12] <Venkat> see box titled Development on the left navigation [17:12] <simonnash> found it now, almost at the bottom of the left sidebar [17:12] <simonnash> thanks [17:13] <murphdg> I guess the only minor point with Venkats changes is that the left hand side navigation is quite long... seems to fit fine on my 1600x1400 screen, anyone tried it on a (much) lower resolution ? [17:14] <simonnash> is this supposed to be generic across SCA, SDO, DAS for java? the build instructions seem to go back to whether we only had one build for all of these. [17:14] <jsdelfino> can somebody paste again the link to venkat's site? [17:14] <Venkat> murphdg: yes, so in M3 I hope to get to the Tabs - SCA, SDO and DAS.. where each tab will strictly deal with things related to one of SCA, DAS, SDO.. [17:15] <Venkat> much like the current website in terms of looks but the SCA page will have nothing related to SDO.. [17:15] <simonnash> sorry that was ...back to when we... [17:16] <simonnash> http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/index.html [17:17] <jsdelfino> looks strange on my firefox / linux, I'll post a screen cap in a sec [17:17] <murphdg> (alt for long navigation) one could colapse the sections people aren't currently on - but retain the top level.... [17:18] <simonnash> the build section of the Tuscany Java development page definitely needs updating. there is a broken link in this section as well as obsolete instructions. [17:18] <murphdg> but it is better than the someone confusing current layout... gets a +1 from me :) [17:19] <simonnash> sorry, i misspoke. the broken link is in the Running Samples section that follows the Building section [17:19] <simonnash> i think the left bar is fine as is. god to see the whole top level structure [17:19] <simonnash> .good to see.. [17:20] <murphdg> (have a good xmas all - I've got a karate lesson about to start....) <murphdg> (i=murphdg@@nat/ibm/x-6c500df22064f9c1) has quit the server at Mon Dec 18 17:20:16 GMT 2006 (Remote closed the connection). [17:21] <jsdelfino> here's a screen cap of the site in my environment: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/tuscany/sandbox/sebastien/site/tuscany.jpg [17:21] <simonnash> for this iteration i suggest we focus on getting the material as complete and correct as we can. layout/format changes can be done later. [17:22] <jsdelfino> looks like the green header bars are of a fixed size, so bigger fonts spill over them [17:22] <simonnash> that is pretty nasty looking :-( [17:22] <jsdelfino> yep [17:22] <simonnash> so i take back my previous comment. fixing this is important [17:23] <Venkat> yes.. its because of the fonts... [17:23] <simonnash> jsdelfino, was this a problem with the old site? [17:23] <jsdelfino> IMO the web site needs to be tested with firefox, IE, and safari, on Linux, Windows and MacOS [17:25] <jsdelfino> the old site doesn't have this problem on the left panel, I think that the headers are just images (the text is part of the image) [17:25] <Venkat> right... [17:25] <simonnash> i tried the old site in my browser. the problem does not occur because the old site does not try to scale all the text [17:25] <simonnash> it looks a bit odd but nothing overflows [17:25] <Venkat> they are all images... I changed that because to change a text you must have to create an image... [17:26] <jsdelfino> however, the top bar doesn't look great, the p and the y in apache tuscany spill over the bottom of the background image [17:26] <jsdelfino> but it's not as bad [17:26] <jsdelfino> I think the answer is to scale the background images [17:27] <jsdelfino> so you can keep background images, and real text, but scale the images [17:27] <simonnash> how hard is that? [17:27] <jsdelfino> something like size=100% instead of size=123pixels [17:27] <simonnash> the old site did not do that. seems like we are taking on more work [17:27] <simonnash> fine if it's easy [17:28] <jsdelfino> something like that, I forgot the exact html syntax [17:28] <jsdelfino> and less work than redoing the images when u change the text [17:28] <simonnash> i need to join a call in 2 mins.. i will stay on this chat but may become distracted [17:29] <Venkat> jsdelfino: thanks.. will figure that out... [17:29] <jsdelfino> let me know when you change it, I can test again on Linux, would be nice if somebody could test on Max [17:29] <jsdelfino> Mac [17:30] <Venkat> jsdelfino: what is the resolution you are using.... [17:30] <jsdelfino> 1450 [17:31] <jsdelfino> I guess [17:32] <jboynes> it looks ok on safari [17:32] <jboynes> 2560x1600 resolution [17:34] <simonnash> lucky you :-) [17:35] <jboynes> :0 [17:35] <Venkat> i am using firefox on windows and it seems fine... with 1024x768 [17:35] <jboynes> :) [17:36] <Venkat> anyways.. let me take a look at the widths and make them relative... [17:36] <jboynes> ok on firefox, except the site menu tezxt is different [17:37] <jboynes> on safair, it's sans-serif, on firefox it's a serif font [17:41] <Venkat> ok.. so finally... are we going with what I have proposed.. if so I can go and start work on that... getting content to sync with current site ... work on this font problem and add a few more links [17:41] <Venkat> ? [17:42] <simonnash> yes [17:44] <jsdelfino> sounds like a good plan to me [17:44] <simonnash> i will reply on the list.. to keep this official :-) <Amita> has quit the server at Mon Dec 18 17:44:48 GMT 2006 (). [17:44] <Venkat> I will start a new thread for this... [17:45] <Venkat> so that its not mixed between the mails that Simon and Jeremy has posted... [17:45] <Venkat> please reply to that then... ? [17:46] <jsdelfino> Venkat, can you please make sure that you include the last updates on the C++ page? [17:47] <Venkat> well... not only that.. I am going to look at all of it.. because there has been SDO, DAS releases as well... [17:47] <jsdelfino> ok :) [17:47] <Venkat> so that is what I meant by the sync up [17:47] <jsdelfino> ok <kgoodson> ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/ibm/x-d4b28082a8f3d8dd) has quit the server at Mon Dec 18 17:54:47 GMT 2006 (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)). [18:00] <simonnash> Venkat: sorry, was distracted by my other call. yes, please start a new thread describing the proposal from this chat and I will reply to that [18:00] <Venkat> ok.. thanks everybody... am logging off now.. :) <Venkat> (i=Krish@@59.144.56.100) has quit the server at Mon Dec 18 18:00:33 GMT 2006 (). [18:03] <simonnash> me too.. need to leave early today. bye. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]