You're not going to win any friends here Dave. Steven is well known on this 
list. He is sometimes abrasive but it's rarely if ever malicious. Anytime he's 
ever been rude to me it was deserved. Like how I top post from my phone. Or 
giving bad advice to newbies.

People are getting irritated because YOU are not making the effort to be 
understood, and then getting angry when we don't understand you. Have you read 
Eric raymond's smart questions article? It may help you understand the 
mentality here.

And no we are not hostile to people because they lack education. But may be 
perceived as hostile to those who do not WANT education. Whatever bandying 
about and posturing you want to do is fine with me, but when it comes down to 
it, if you ask a question and I can tell you didn't make sufficient effort to 
solve it yourself (due to laziness, not ignorance or inability) I have little 
to no incentive to help you.

Also, I have a masters in C.S. My stepfather has been a programmer for 30 years 
and has no programming degree. I do not think my degree is a replacement for 
that, and learn new things from him every day. It goes both ways. Have respect 
for yourself and your ability to learn what you need to, and we'll have the 
respect to help pick you up if you stumble.

My 2 cents.

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