On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Luke Paireepinart <rabidpoob...@gmail.com> wrote: > You're not going to win any friends here Dave. Wasn't trying to.
Steven is well known on this list. And that means something to you only. He is sometimes abrasive but it's rarely if ever malicious. Anytime he's ever been rude to me it was deserved,and the only times I remember being rude to him, it was settled, and then we go right back to steven being an ass(not that I ever said I wasn't at some points, and we've had off list emails as well . Like how I top post from my phone. Or giving bad advice to newbies. Guilty of the same, but I wasn't trying to malicious either, just as were'nt trying to be. > > People are getting irritated because YOU are not making the effort to be > understood I pete and repeat when asked, and barely try to ask, when most of the time google and the docs solve it , and then getting angry when we don't understand you. More like frustrated than angry, and I believe everyone here has had the same feeling. Have you read Eric raymond's smart questions article? Not his but others. It may help you understand the mentality here. > > And no we are not hostile to people because they lack education. And apparently you speak for all of the programmers out there. But may be perceived as hostile to those who do not WANT education. Whatever bandying about and posturing you want to do is fine with me, but when it comes down to it, if you ask a question and I can tell you didn't make sufficient effort to solve it yourself (due to laziness, not ignorance or inability) I have little to no incentive to help you. > > Also, I have a masters in C.S. My stepfather has been a programmer for 30 > years and has no programming degree. I do not think my degree is a > replacement for that, and learn new things from him every day. It goes both > ways. Have respect for yourself and your ability to learn what you need to, > and we'll have the respect to help pick you up if you stumble I like to think that in terms of being a python self learner, I have persevered on my own very well. Maybe i was feeling inadequate and frustrated, and lashed ouy, but so has he, and I've tried to let it go, and will again this time. . > > My 2 cents. Pocketed. _______________________________________________ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
