While it's difficult for me to associate anything Trump with integrity and honesty, this does seem to be - if accurate - a pretty inept shading of results. Was there anything odd (besides the usual) with Piers Morgan's win a few years ago? He was already on an NBC program at the time, so the incentive to shade things would be a bit different.
As for fundraising differences, didn't Joan Rivers win while raising less during the finale than Annie Duke? If the final decision is always up to the blob underneath the hair, what exactly has been broken here, outside of audience expectations? David ________________________________ From: Melissa P <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 11:02 PM Subject: [TV orNotTV] Was it too much to expect that Celebrity Apprentice would have a "satisfying ending"? I assume I’m the only one here following the aftermath of what happened on Sunday night. I’m glad I waited a few days. And, I’m also glad (and surprised) that several contestants (namely Adam Carolla, Debbie Gibson, Dee Snyder, and Penn Jillette have gone public with their feelings). Adam has been the most vocal, devoting a portion of a recent podcast to the subject, which is discussed in the blog I’ve posted below. If you read (or listen to the podcast), the rumored deal is between Comcast-NBC-Magic Johnson’s new network Aspire-and Arsenio Hall. I had planned to post something here last week, before Sunday night. That was when I first began to suspect that something odd was going on. The question I was planning to ask the group was: Since when is the entertainment division of NBC using MSNBC’s news operation to promote its entertainment fare? That was the question I asked myself when I heard that Arsenio Hall made an appearance on The Ed Show. To talk about what I don’t know, since AFAIK Hall doesn’t seem newsworthy in any way. His appearance on The Ed Show came after Clay’s appearance on that show and his appearances on CNN and Face the Nation. Now, Clay being on those shows made sense. The subject was gay marriage and the passage of the amendment in North Carolina, where Clay lives. Several months ago, he did PSA on the North Carolina amendment which was widely broadcast throughout the state, and he was certainly the right person to talk about both subjects. But Arsenio being on a news show on MSNBC made no sense at all, as little sense as the outcome of the fifth season of Celebrity Apprentice. Needless to say, I won’t be watching Celebrity Apprentice in the future (a show I had watched fairly regularly in the past). http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Adam-Carolla-Shares-Explanation-Arsenio-Hall-Celebrity-Apprentice-Win-42823.html#.T713sON94cE.facebook Carolla talked about Celebrity Apprentice on his podcast this week, bringing up the differences between the two parties and shows put together for the final challenge leading up to the finale. From the way Carolla spoke about the tasks, he was impressed by Clay's team's efforts. "One was a comedy show and one was a music show. Sort of apples and oranges but they really kicked ass," he said. He also spoke numerous times about the difference in the money raised, with Clay's team earning more than $300k, while Arsenio's total was just over $150k. Apparently, from what Carolla said, everyone was in agreement that Clay should win. They were asked about it in the boardroom, which wasn't shown during the finale. "They went around and asked everybody, 'Who do you think should win?'" Carolla said. "And everyone just said 'Clay.' Even people on Arsenio's team just said 'Clay should win. He's just the strongest player.'" So, assuming he's not exaggerating, it sounds like the competitors this season were also expecting a different outcome. Carolla admitted during his podcast that he was confused. And then he went on to mention something a woman told him. He's very vague on the details about who exactly said this to him, and that should definitely be taken into account when reading his comments, but it sounds like it's someone involved in the production of the series somehow… "When they gave it to Arsenio, I was confused. I couldn't believe it. And then when I was done… I probably shouldn't mention any names - When I was done, one of the girls - I said, 'I'm fuckin' shocked. I mean, don't get me wrong, I was Arsenio's team captain, so I'm fine. We were hugging it out before and drinking white wine and shit. And he comes on the show and all that. I'm just fucking shocked. I am shocked. And one of the chicks sort of pointed at her microphone and said, 'I'll tell you why as soon as I take this off.' And then, later on I didn't talk to her. Later on, I talked to another one of the chicks and she was de-mic'ed and I said, 'What's the deal?' And she said, "Oh Arsenio's got a deal with NBC or deal with whatever company and this is what they're doing or this is how it works.' That's what she said. I don't know..." He's not naming names, so we'll take this as more gossip than anything, but is it all that hard to believe? As though to reinforce what was said, we've already heard that Arsenio is sifting through offers from multiple networks to headline his own talk show. Assuming what was said is true, it's really disappointing, as it compromises the integrity of the series. People can scoff at the very idea of that, but a big part of the entertainment value from shows like these comes from a satisfying ending, one way or the other. I would have been much more satisfied by the ending of this season if I understood why Trump made the decision he did, which may be part of the reason why I have an easy time believing what Carolla said. Hall is a likable winner, but his win didn't feel like a fitting ending for the season. So either that's the fault of the series for not showing us enough evidence that Hall was a better competitor than Aiken going into the finale, and Trump's for not sufficiently articulating why Hall deserved to win over Clay, or what Carolla said is true. Or some other reason. We can only speculate at this point. -- TV or Not TV .... The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TV or Not TV" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en -- TV or Not TV .... The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TV or Not TV" group. 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