I am familiar with Stern's show. I am not offended by the sexual nature of Lange's comments. And it would not matter to me how common in some circles make slave and rape jokes about specific African-American women in the public eye were, it would not make them any more acceptable.
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Steve Timko <[email protected]> wrote: > The only hospitalizations that I know of for Artic Lange are tied to his > suicide attempts and his drug addictions. In one suicide attempt he > stabbed himself an exceptional number of times, like one dozen or two > dozen. He spent several months in the hospital after his first one, the one > that got him booted from the Howard Stern show. > I will try to find some Howard Stern humor to show you it's not out of > line. One that comes to mind is when staffer Sal went to do a comedy show > and he and another staffer spent the night at the home of the guy who ran > the Stern discussion board. Sal found the soiled panties of the home > owner's teenage daughter in a bathroom hamper and feigned sniffing them in > front of his coworker. They talked about that for 2 or 3 days on the Howard > Stern show. That's the frame of reference you need for Lange's joke. > > Sent from Blue Mail <http://r.bluemailapp.com> > On Nov 7, 2014, at 5:27 PM, PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I would like to see some evidence to support Kevin's claim that there is >> growing support for the notion that mental illness is an excuse for >> anti-social behavior. I don't think I have seen that. There is one segment >> of the mentally ill population that is excused for anti-social behavior - >> those who have been found to be insane (that is precisely what insanity >> means - a judgement of non-responsibility due to mental illness). Most >> mentally ill people are not insane. >> >> ESPN and wikipedia report that Lange spent 8 months in a psychiatric >> inpatient unit. If you have reason to question those reports I will bow to >> your superior knowledge - my Artie Lange file is pretty thin. Assuming for >> now the reports are true, I think it is fair to describe him as having >> mental health problems - how is that "throwing around mental illness >> brickbats"? >> >> But again, my point has never been that his comments are excused because >> of his mental health problems - I don't think they are. I know lots and >> lots of people with mental health problems, and my rough estimate is that >> the proportion of assholes is about the same as it is in the "normal" >> population. Lange is clearly an asshole, whatever his mental health status, >> and assuming he was not in an active psychotic state (which I suppose is >> possible) I hold him responsible for his reprehensible twitter comments. I >> just don't think demanding an apology from someone like that is #1 on the >> priority list. >> >> And, for what its worth, if Artie Lange or anyone else made comments >> about a woman in my family like he did about Champion, his next >> hospitalization would be for a kicked ass. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Steve Timko <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Artie Lange attempted suicide a couple of times, so obviously his mental >>> health is not pristine. But where do these diagnoses of mental illness come >>> from? Anyone who has listened to the Howard Stern show will recognize the >>> humor. It's a clear attempt at being politically incorrect. >>> I think people need to demonstrate move evidence of mental illness >>> before throwing around the mental illness brickbats. Listening to several >>> hours of Howard Stern discussion could also be enlightening. >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 2:52 AM, Kevin M. <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 11:09 PM, PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> This is a fairly serious question. Let me start by clarifying that >>>>> when I said that in Lange's case an apology was not the most important >>>>> thing because he is mentally ill, I did not mean that he should not be >>>>> held >>>>> responsible for his actions, just that there were probably more important >>>>> things to worry about than a formal apology. >>>>> >>>> >>>> There is an ever-growing segment of the populace for whom mental >>>> illness is now considered a viable excuse for anti-social behavior. I find >>>> the concept to be a potential slippery-slope to a literal >>>> get-out-of-jail-free card. That Twitter has not suspended Lange for posting >>>> supposed fantasies about enslaving and whipping a specific African American >>>> woman is yet another vile example of how desperate Twitter is to keep its >>>> number of active users. To me it isn't about free speech. Speech that >>>> targets another isn't protected under the first amendment, and even if it >>>> is, it doesn't need to exist on supposedly social media. >>>> >>>> Slate has been accused (and I think rightly) of targeting and >>>> attempting to smear the reputations of certain celebrities through >>>> erroneous and even non-factual headlines and Twitter posts, to what end I >>>> wouldn't speculate beyond a sadistic attempt to lure more people to its >>>> website. TMZ and Drudge are notorious for posting first and verifying >>>> later. And I'm not even delving into the political sites and feeds because >>>> I'm so sick of all things political (and because the focus was on people >>>> with mental issues abusing social media). But there really is no regulation >>>> by Twitter or Facebook or any of the major players. The lengths it takes to >>>> get an account suspended are insane, and even if it occurs, a new account >>>> can be created by the same person in minutes. I know of one person who has >>>> openly threatened rape, assault, and murder of multiple people on Twitter >>>> who has had accounts suspended more than 80 times in the past 18 months. >>>> There's a police file on him in his hometown, but neither the law nor >>>> Twitter does anything to stop him. He clearly shouldn't be allowed on the >>>> street, let alone have access to the internet, but he continues and will >>>> continue until he works up the nerve to carry out one of his many threats. >>>> >>>> I've been exploring alternative networks the last few weeks. Ello, Tsu, >>>> and Line, to name a few. I'm hoping for a place for more civil discourse >>>> can exist, where individuals can actually be social. I'll let you know if >>>> one of them works out. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kevin M. (RPCV) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> TV or Not TV .... 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