Okay, but just because they offend your sensibility doesn't mean they are the result of mental illness
Sent from Blue Mail On Nov 8, 2014, 8:33 AM, at 8:33 AM, PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >I am familiar with Stern's show. I am not offended by the sexual nature >of >Lange's comments. And it would not matter to me how common in some >circles >make slave and rape jokes about specific African-American women in the >public eye were, it would not make them any more acceptable. > >On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Steve Timko <[email protected]> >wrote: > >> The only hospitalizations that I know of for Artic Lange are tied to >his >> suicide attempts and his drug addictions. In one suicide attempt he >> stabbed himself an exceptional number of times, like one dozen or two >> dozen. He spent several months in the hospital after his first one, >the one >> that got him booted from the Howard Stern show. >> I will try to find some Howard Stern humor to show you it's not out >of >> line. One that comes to mind is when staffer Sal went to do a comedy >show >> and he and another staffer spent the night at the home of the guy who >ran >> the Stern discussion board. Sal found the soiled panties of the home >> owner's teenage daughter in a bathroom hamper and feigned sniffing >them in >> front of his coworker. They talked about that for 2 or 3 days on the >Howard >> Stern show. That's the frame of reference you need for Lange's joke. >> >> Sent from Blue Mail <http://r.bluemailapp.com> >> On Nov 7, 2014, at 5:27 PM, PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I would like to see some evidence to support Kevin's claim that >there is >>> growing support for the notion that mental illness is an excuse for >>> anti-social behavior. I don't think I have seen that. There is one >segment >>> of the mentally ill population that is excused for anti-social >behavior - >>> those who have been found to be insane (that is precisely what >insanity >>> means - a judgement of non-responsibility due to mental illness). >Most >>> mentally ill people are not insane. >>> >>> ESPN and wikipedia report that Lange spent 8 months in a psychiatric >>> inpatient unit. If you have reason to question those reports I will >bow to >>> your superior knowledge - my Artie Lange file is pretty thin. >Assuming for >>> now the reports are true, I think it is fair to describe him as >having >>> mental health problems - how is that "throwing around mental illness >>> brickbats"? >>> >>> But again, my point has never been that his comments are excused >because >>> of his mental health problems - I don't think they are. I know lots >and >>> lots of people with mental health problems, and my rough estimate is >that >>> the proportion of assholes is about the same as it is in the >"normal" >>> population. Lange is clearly an asshole, whatever his mental health >status, >>> and assuming he was not in an active psychotic state (which I >suppose is >>> possible) I hold him responsible for his reprehensible twitter >comments. I >>> just don't think demanding an apology from someone like that is #1 >on the >>> priority list. >>> >>> And, for what its worth, if Artie Lange or anyone else made comments >>> about a woman in my family like he did about Champion, his next >>> hospitalization would be for a kicked ass. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Steve Timko <[email protected]> >wrote: >>> >>>> Artie Lange attempted suicide a couple of times, so obviously his >mental >>>> health is not pristine. But where do these diagnoses of mental >illness come >>>> from? Anyone who has listened to the Howard Stern show will >recognize the >>>> humor. It's a clear attempt at being politically incorrect. >>>> I think people need to demonstrate move evidence of mental illness >>>> before throwing around the mental illness brickbats. Listening to >several >>>> hours of Howard Stern discussion could also be enlightening. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 2:52 AM, Kevin M. <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 11:09 PM, PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> This is a fairly serious question. Let me start by clarifying >that >>>>>> when I said that in Lange's case an apology was not the most >important >>>>>> thing because he is mentally ill, I did not mean that he should >not be held >>>>>> responsible for his actions, just that there were probably more >important >>>>>> things to worry about than a formal apology. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There is an ever-growing segment of the populace for whom mental >>>>> illness is now considered a viable excuse for anti-social >behavior. I find >>>>> the concept to be a potential slippery-slope to a literal >>>>> get-out-of-jail-free card. That Twitter has not suspended Lange >for posting >>>>> supposed fantasies about enslaving and whipping a specific African >American >>>>> woman is yet another vile example of how desperate Twitter is to >keep its >>>>> number of active users. To me it isn't about free speech. Speech >that >>>>> targets another isn't protected under the first amendment, and >even if it >>>>> is, it doesn't need to exist on supposedly social media. >>>>> >>>>> Slate has been accused (and I think rightly) of targeting and >>>>> attempting to smear the reputations of certain celebrities through >>>>> erroneous and even non-factual headlines and Twitter posts, to >what end I >>>>> wouldn't speculate beyond a sadistic attempt to lure more people >to its >>>>> website. TMZ and Drudge are notorious for posting first and >verifying >>>>> later. And I'm not even delving into the political sites and feeds >because >>>>> I'm so sick of all things political (and because the focus was on >people >>>>> with mental issues abusing social media). But there really is no >regulation >>>>> by Twitter or Facebook or any of the major players. The lengths it >takes to >>>>> get an account suspended are insane, and even if it occurs, a new >account >>>>> can be created by the same person in minutes. I know of one person >who has >>>>> openly threatened rape, assault, and murder of multiple people on >Twitter >>>>> who has had accounts suspended more than 80 times in the past 18 >months. >>>>> There's a police file on him in his hometown, but neither the law >nor >>>>> Twitter does anything to stop him. He clearly shouldn't be allowed >on the >>>>> street, let alone have access to the internet, but he continues >and will >>>>> continue until he works up the nerve to carry out one of his many >threats. >>>>> >>>>> I've been exploring alternative networks the last few weeks. Ello, >Tsu, >>>>> and Line, to name a few. I'm hoping for a place for more civil >discourse >>>>> can exist, where individuals can actually be social. I'll let you >know if >>>>> one of them works out. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Kevin M. 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