He is not growing on me. I am interested in what you are seeing in him that you like, maybe I can start looking for them.
I think I commented early on in his tenure that I thought he was strongest when he took the role of the outsider - commenting on American privilege and excess from the POV of most of the world. Last night he had a quick hit on American choices of yoghurt that was good (though I think we have heard several variations on that from him before). It's just that I don't think he adopts that POV consistently enough. He interviewed that white South African actor the other night (or was that last night?) and I thought it had potential to be really interesting when he asked the question about was he seen as a racist when he told people he was a white South African, and the guy said when they were young his dad used a fake accent and told people they were from New Zealand. But I thought Noah missed both an obvious tag on that (most Americans couldn't tell the difference, so they didn't need the fake accent) and more importantly, did not give us his take on the actors point that since he voted to free Mandela he does not have white guilt, unlike a lot of white Americans. This is the kind of thing I want to see Noah more consistently and confidently work both into his interviews and his jokes and comic bits. On Friday, 19 August 2016, Doug Eastick <[email protected]> wrote: > I gotta say that Noah is growing on me. He's no Stewart, but his > observations on things are quite on. Ya just gotta get used to the > messenger. > > > On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 1:32 PM, PGage <[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: > >> I did recognize who the wise man was; I wondered if Wilmore did. Also, I >> really liked Stewart's benediction for Wilmore, which was heartfelt and had >> the benefit of being accurate and true (at one point he said something like >> "you guys got better every single day" - which I thought was true from >> about month 4 or 5 on). >> >> But it did make me think that, should Stewart be called on to say goodbye >> to Noah in six or nine months after he gets cancelled for low ratings, he >> would have much less to say that would be both complimentary and true. >> Noah's TDS almost always leaves me feeling unsatisfied. Frequently there >> are pieces that I appreciate (I liked Klepper's piece last night, though I >> kind of feel like we have seen a variation on that about 5 times in the >> last six months) but Noah himself consistently underwhelms. While he seems >> talented, he also comes across to me as insincere and uninformed - A year >> into his tenure and much of his show still feels to me like he is reading >> material written for Jon Stewart, that he does not really understand. He >> said he was going to change the show up, and he specifically noted that he >> would get away from skewering cable news as done on CNN and especially Fox. >> It does seem that he has lived up to that promise for the most part (which >> left him sadly poorly positioned to comment on the Roger Ailes situation), >> but I don't really know what he is trying to do. >> >> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 6:37 AM, <[email protected] >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: >> >>> "Stewart told Wilmore that a wise man once advised him, 'Do not confuse >>> cancellation with failure.'" >>> >>> And, in case anybody doesn't know the backstory, that's a quote from >>> Stewart's interview of David Letterman during the final episode of "The Jon >>> Stewart Show" on MTV, back in the 1990s. >>> >>> Doug Fields >>> Tampa, FL >>> >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] The Nightly Show with Larry Wilmore has been >>> canceled >>> From: Steve Timko <[email protected] >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> >>> Date: Fri, August 19, 2016 1:29 am >>> To: TV or Not TV <[email protected] >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> >>> >>> Jon Stewart gives heartfelt send-off to Larry Wilmore >>> >>> NEW YORK (AP) - Jon Stewart gave a heartfelt send-off to Larry Wilmore >>> Thursday as "The Nightly Show" ended its 19-month run. >>> Stewart told Wilmore that a wise man once advised him, "Do not confuse >>> cancellation with failure." >>> Stewart, a producer of "The Nightly Show," featured Wilmore as "Senior >>> Black Correspondent" when he was hosting "The Daily Show." >>> In January 2015, Wilmore's program filled the slot vacated by Stephen >>> Colbert when he jumped to CBS. >>> The show sought to explore current events and life issues from the >>> perspective of African-Americans and other groups typically >>> underrepresented on talk shows. But audience acceptance of "The >>> Nightly Show" never approached its "Daily Show" lead-in. >>> Comedy Central announced its cancellation earlier this week. >>> Stewart told Wilmore Thursday that he "gave voice to underserved >>> voices in the media arena." >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Steve Timko <[email protected] >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: >>> > Dean Obedallah calls for Netflix or Hulu to pick up the show. >>> > >>> > http://www.crossroadstoday.com/story/32775808/larry-wilmores >>> -comedy-central-show-canceled-big-mistake >>> > >>> > Sent from TypeApp >>> > >>> > On Aug 16, 2016, at 11:54 AM, PGage <[email protected] >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> I was happy to see them doing one last "Pardon the Integration", >>> which is >>> >> one of the best illustrations of how this show found itself over time, >>> >> rather than over-relying on the panel. That kind of segment is a >>> funny bit, >>> >> as opposed to talking heads, but it is not just silly, it still >>> raises real >>> >> issues and takes a POV, as it did last night. It also made the more >>> relevant >>> >> critical point about the cancellation, which is not that firing a >>> black >>> >> hosted show is racist (obviously, it isn't), but that too many >>> Americans who >>> >> otherwise tune into late night comedy shows are made uncomfortable by >>> a show >>> >> that takes on serious issues. For a couple of reasons I have never >>> been a >>> >> huge Maher fan, which for all of his veneer of brave oppositionalism >>> more >>> >> often than not feels to me like he is pandering to his demo ("porn is >>> okay, >>> >> smoke dope, religion is a drag"). Wilmore is a level above Maher in >>> my book, >>> >> because he got into issues that were actually controversial within the >>> >> progressive and African-American demo (like is it okay to use the word >>> >> "nigger"?; and even, at the beginning, Cosby). >>> >> >>> >> In the early weeks of the show I was worried that they were relying so >>> >> much on bringing in outsiders to participate in their round table >>> that it >>> >> would not develop a core cast to support Wilmore. But they figured >>> that out >>> >> pretty quickly, and I have grown to really like most of them, >>> especially the >>> >> three featured last night and most often, Mike Yard, Rory Albanese >>> and Robin >>> >> Thede. Of those, I was generally aware of Yard before, and knew >>> Albanese as >>> >> a producer of TDS (and hilarious contributor to The Bugle), but had >>> no >>> >> consciousness of Thede before Wilmore. I really, really like her, >>> and hope >>> >> that we get to see her doing something on her own soon. >>> >> >>> >> I thought it was pretty clear this year that Wilmore was a passionate >>> >> Bernie-crat, but he is also a grown-up, and, a la Obama, a very >>> patriotic >>> >> American. I think that is what was at the heart of the dump-on-Trump >>> feel of >>> >> Monday's show - not so much a surprising reveal to the public that he >>> does >>> >> not approve of Trump, but a strong statement to the die-hard Bernie- >>> ites to >>> >> stop with the absurd notion that Hillary is just as bad as Trump. His >>> use of >>> >> the term "false equivalence" was significant - that is the key term >>> being >>> >> used when arguing with the Bernie Death-Eaters. >>> >> >>> >> Despite many elements of his schtick, Wilmore has an optimistic view >>> of >>> >> America. His point about Hillary was that he was not so much with her >>> >> (Hillary) as he was with Her (the Statue of Liberty). At the end of >>> the >>> >> round table Thede said something like "We have to stop thinking that >>> Trump >>> >> is funny or cute. America better wake up". It may have been edited, >>> but >>> >> Wilmore found a nice, perhaps overly optimistic, out line for the >>> episode, >>> >> and maybe his series, when he said "I am ready to announce that >>> America is >>> >> woke." >>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:18 AM, Steve Timko <[email protected] >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> They went after Trump hard on the show. No gloves. >>> >>> Oddly, right before the last commercial break they ran the bumper on >>> how >>> >>> to get tickets. Maybe as a courtesy to sentimental types who might >>> want to >>> >>> see the show this week? >>> >>> They also took some shots at the corporation for losing a black >>> voice. >>> >>> Wilmore said their cancellation must mean racism is solved. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from TypeApp >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> TV or Not TV .... 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