On Mon, Aug 31, 2020, 9:44 AM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > . They are not being persuaded to buy it because Trump is a super salesman > who can make something ugly and toxic look shiny and desirable (which is > what I think Gaffigan is saying). They are buying what they have always > wanted. > I dissent. Certainly there is a large group of Trump supporters who are white nationalists. More than I realized in 2016. But most have drunk deeply from the Kool Aid offered by FOX News and right wing radio. They believe Joe Biden is a socialist, that Hillary Clinton and Hollywood are involved in sex trafficking and that the deaths at Benghazi are more significant than Americans killed by COVID-19.
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 2:04 AM Joe Hass <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'd refine the salesman angle a little bit. It's not that Trump is a bad >> salesman. It's that he only knows one way to sell. And for the vast >> majority of customers, that method of salesmanship is correctly interpreted >> as stereotypical Jerry Lundegaard. But for just enough people, it works. >> Remember: Jerry gets the guy to buy the TruCoat because he knows he can't >> walk away.* >> >> Almost two decades ago, I worked for a training and development company >> in Detroit, which meant working as a supplier for GM. I learned something >> from those days: dealerships knew they had lousy sales staff. They knew >> they had too many Jerry Ludegaards. But they sold just enough cars in the >> month that the dealerships couldn't risk getting rid of them, because the >> numbers were still there. They couldn't risk getting rid of someone who was >> a mediocre salesperson at the risk of landing someone who had no sales >> skills at all. And to make matters worse, the sales guy (it's always a guy) >> thought he knew *everything*, so trying to train Dingus McGee was a waste >> of training. >> >> * The last time I bought a car four years ago, I made the critical >> mistake of bringing my wife and kid to the closing. Sure enough, the >> dealership pulled a fast one (well, we sold the car you were looking for, >> but we have this model instead), and I wanted to walk away. Well, she >> couldn't walk away, because she had "made peace" with getting rid of the >> old car, and while we didn't get screwed, I was displeased. >> >> On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 8:36 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I watched this unfold on Twitter late last week, and just read his >>> summary in FB. Really interesting, but maybe most surprising to me is his >>> take that Trump is a good salesman. I think the opposite, he is a really >>> bad salesman. I don’t think he persuades a single person. What he is good >>> at is knowing how many people want the shit he is peddling, whether it is a >>> lifestyle characterized by gold plated toilet seats, or white nationalism. >>> He may very well win again, but if he does it won’t be because he donned or >>> fooled or sold anyone on anything. It will be because there are still that >>> many white nationalists in this country. >>> >>> People like Gaffigan (who I like) are endearing and irritating in almost >>> equal measure, because this late in the game he still lets himself be >>> surprised that so many of the white people in the flyover states he is so >>> affectionate for are hungry for the racist BS pushed by Trump. >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 5:49 PM Steve Timko <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> In case anyone is interested what happened with Gaffigan, he wrote a >>>> lengthy response today. I haven't read all of it yet. >>>> https://www.facebook.com/5642244660/posts/10158761187769661/ >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 9:07 AM Steve Timko <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Did you see what happened with Jim Gaffigan? The piece calls him >>>>> apolitical. He was mildly political. But Trump's bungling of the COVID-19 >>>>> response grounded him when he was the top-touring comedian in America. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://www.thedailybeast.com/jim-gaffigan-famously-apolitical-comedian-finally-loses-it-over-trump >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 8:21 AM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Props for the deep cut/mash-up, Brad. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/T%27Pring >>>>>> >>>>>> David >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, August 28, 2020, 7:46:46 AM EDT, Brad Beam < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I think it was all that yelling by Evil Spock’s concubine on Monday >>>>>> night that put him off…. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/1248958787.6683229.1598628075412%40mail.yahoo.com >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/1248958787.6683229.1598628075412%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>> >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> >>>> >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAH5J8yx%2BhqU5GG9%2B6y%3D_AJjXH9-hd-prwVwrdgXA3WwJfZNagQ%40mail.gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAH5J8yx%2BhqU5GG9%2B6y%3D_AJjXH9-hd-prwVwrdgXA3WwJfZNagQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>> Sent from Gmail Mobile >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> >> >>> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkY%2BTe%3Daiq%2BdVp5VYgo-g9rkMfcEN8EmdHi5hfyeM1Z%3Dh3Q%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkY%2BTe%3Daiq%2BdVp5VYgo-g9rkMfcEN8EmdHi5hfyeM1Z%3Dh3Q%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> >> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CABru7%2BfSPPMXt9G%3DbBh5xJ9-uxxvXszW7irWAKvegQROG9OqxA%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CABru7%2BfSPPMXt9G%3DbBh5xJ9-uxxvXszW7irWAKvegQROG9OqxA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> >> -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkYJbyo8sfM2%2BZogXF71PRr3YwbbbSommwcb6c6XrRrJagA%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkYJbyo8sfM2%2BZogXF71PRr3YwbbbSommwcb6c6XrRrJagA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. 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